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Need Final Cut vs. Adobe input - badly!

 

 


videogal
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May 8, 2008, 10:44 PM

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I'm pulling my hair out here in Omaha - need some input from anyone in my situation.

I have a new (2 months) iMac, running Leopard, it's the 24" 2.8 Ghz 4G Memory model. I am running Adobe Premier Pro CS3 and doing fairly basic, SD editing. It crashes multiple times a day, and I have issues with odd artifacts showing up in clips and the timeline, stuff like that.

I have 2 older G5's that run Final Cut Pro under 10.4, running fine.

What I need to know is - is FCP running well under Leopard for you? I'm on the verge of buying another copy of FCP and tossing the Adobe, but want to be sure that I'm not just swapping one bag of aggravation for another one - if FCP is having issues on iMac running Leopard, I'll save the $$ - if it's running well, I'll save my hair Tongue

Any advice would be MOST appreciated!

(So why am I running Premier when I was happy with FCP? I won it in a drawing, so I'm giving it a go-round, was hoping for better results !! )

Thanks!!!


Kenneth
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May 9, 2008, 12:21 AM

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Keep Encore for Blu-Ray DVD building but other than that PPro is useless. It always has been on a Mac. FCP runs great on my 20" iMac with dual 2.1 Ghz. It very rarely ever crashes.
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BobRamage
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May 9, 2008, 11:09 PM

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I'm running Premiere Pro CS3 on a Mac Pro with no problems whatsoever. Issues with HDV audio/video sync on capture were resolved with the recent 3.2 update. Very stable. Burned my first blu-ray disc yesterday (on a Mac!). I tried FCP and honestly couldn't see any reason to switch. They're very similar programs in most respects. I've got the full CS3 Production Premium so the integration between apps (particularly After Effects) is a real bonus for me.


Ron Priest
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May 10, 2008, 7:36 PM

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I'm running Premiere Pro CS3 on a Mac Pro with no problems whatsoever. Issues with HDV audio/video sync on capture were resolved with the recent 3.2 update. Very stable. Burned my first blu-ray disc yesterday (on a Mac!). I tried FCP and honestly couldn't see any reason to switch. They're very similar programs in most respects. I've got the full CS3 Production Premium so the integration between apps (particularly After Effects) is a real bonus for me.


Bob, your just the person I've been looking for! Are you encoding your Blu-ray files from within Premiere Pro or are you converting them inside Encore?

Does Encore for Blu-ray work the same as it does for any other DVD? I mean, menus and all, does it allow you to create motion menus just like a regular DVD?

Have you given any thought to providing a service to author Blu-ray Disks for those of us less fortunate to have a process just yet? If so, how much would you charge to author a Blu-ray disk and make copies. How about if I had a Blu-ray encoded files ready for you to author, would that speed your process (and reduce cost) to author Blu-ray disks?

The reason I ask, is because I can create Blu-ray authoring files using Episode, but I don' t have Encore on my Mac, and the Encore on my PC is CS2. I really don't want to purchase PPro suite for the Mac just for encore, I think I'll wait until Apple comes up with a solution since I'm not editing in HDV right now anyway.
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BobRamage
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May 11, 2008, 12:42 AM

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Hi Ron,

I encoded the blu-ray files directly from the timeline in Premiere and imported them into Encore. You can choose either H264 or MPEG2. Both work fine but H264 allows for much more content per disc at a given quality. I had heard that transcoding to H264 was very slow, but my Mac Pro burned through a one-hour program in a few hours. I was expecting a few problems along the way but the whole process went very smoothly. It was pretty much the same experience as authoring a DVD, except the transcoding took longer.

Encore works exactly the same for Blu-ray authoring as for regular DVD. In fact, you can author for both outputs in the same project and just choose the destination when you burn the disc (blu-ray, DVD, or Flash). They haven't implemented any of the new features that are part of the blu-ray spec yet (e.g. pop-up menus, interactive links, etc.) but for me that isn't a drawback. I assume Adobe will begin adding these features in future versions.

I hadn't really given any thought to providing a blu-ray authoring service. Not sure the demand is really there. Also, the file sizes involved are pretty large... I suppose you could export HDV to tape and send that, emailing menus separately.

I'm not sure why Apple is dragging its heals on implementing a blu-ray authoring option in FCS. Competition with Apple TV? I would imagine it's coming in the next version.


brucecleveland
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May 15, 2008, 3:44 PM

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Hi Ron,

I encoded the blu-ray files directly from the timeline in Premiere and imported them into Encore. You can choose either H264 or MPEG2. Both work fine but H264 allows for much more content per disc at a given quality. I had heard that transcoding to H264 was very slow, but my Mac Pro burned through a one-hour program in a few hours. I was expecting a few problems along the way but the whole process went very smoothly. It was pretty much the same experience as authoring a DVD, except the transcoding took longer.

Encore works exactly the same for Blu-ray authoring as for regular DVD. In fact, you can author for both outputs in the same project and just choose the destination when you burn the disc (blu-ray, DVD, or Flash). They haven't implemented any of the new features that are part of the blu-ray spec yet (e.g. pop-up menus, interactive links, etc.) but for me that isn't a drawback. I assume Adobe will begin adding these features in future versions.

I hadn't really given any thought to providing a blu-ray authoring service. Not sure the demand is really there. Also, the file sizes involved are pretty large... I suppose you could export HDV to tape and send that, emailing menus separately.

I'm not sure why Apple is dragging its heals on implementing a blu-ray authoring option in FCS. Competition with Apple TV? I would imagine it's coming in the next version.


I have purchased Premiere Pro for Mac and am going to do a short project on it just to see if it might be a replacement for FCP. I am really getting tired of Apple charging $500 every time the upgrade FCP and you can almost be sure that is coming once Bluray is there. Not sure if Apple is even going to support Bluray at this point. I will post a full comparison once I get into it a bit.

Bruce
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BobRamage
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May 16, 2008, 12:21 PM

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I'd be interested to hear your comparison between Premiere and FCP. When I first got my Mac I thought it would just be a matter of time before I switched to Final Cut, but after trying it wasn't so sure. Premiere Pro has been very stable for me, and I didn't see enough differences in Final Cut to entice me. The ProRes 422 intermediate codec, better camera format support and a larger selection of 3rd party plug-ins (Mac versions) were probably the single biggest advantages I saw.

That being said, Premiere's biggest weakness, in both Mac and Windows versions, has been in how it scales HD footage to SD (for example, when creating a standard def DVD). If you edit in HD then encode from the timeline to SD output the results will look poor. Premiere does a rotten job of scaling interlaced content. There are some free frameserving apps available for the Windows version which can be used to solve this, but they don't seem to be available for the Mac. This is where having an intermediate codec like ProRes 422 is very useful. I've got the 3rd party Cineform codec for Mac which essentially fulfills the same function for Premiere.

By the way, a good resource for blu-ray burning with Encore and various issues involved can be found here (also discusses integration between Encore and Final Cut):

http://blogs.adobe.com/davtechtable/

Bob


brucecleveland
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May 16, 2008, 12:31 PM

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I'd be interested to hear your comparison between Premiere and FCP. When I first got my Mac I thought it would just be a matter of time before I switched to Final Cut, but after trying it wasn't so sure. Premiere Pro has been very stable for me, and I didn't see enough differences in Final Cut to entice me. The ProRes 422 intermediate codec, better camera format support and a larger selection of 3rd party plug-ins (Mac versions) were probably the single biggest advantages I saw.

That being said, Premiere's biggest weakness, in both Mac and Windows versions, has been in how it scales HD footage to SD (for example, when creating a standard def DVD). If you edit in HD then encode from the timeline to SD output the results will look poor. Premiere does a rotten job of scaling interlaced content. There are some free frameserving apps available for the Windows version which can be used to solve this, but they don't seem to be available for the Mac. This is where having an intermediate codec like ProRes 422 is very useful. I've got the 3rd party Cineform codec for Mac which essentially fulfills the same function for Premiere.

By the way, a good resource for blu-ray burning with Encore and various issues involved can be found here (also discusses integration between Encore and Final Cut):

http://blogs.adobe.com/davtechtable/

Bob


Hi Bob

Yes I thought that the hd footage I output to Sd 16:9 wasn't too good. That really sucks. Alot of what I am seeing so far in the interface I like better than FCP. Also seems quite a bit easier to use. I will let you know what I think of the transition once I edit for a couple of days with it. Right now I am editing a small project for a friends birthday party.

Bruce
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