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No More Updates for FCP 5.0.4

 

 


bbalser
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Apr 5, 2006, 9:59 PM

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Just so you all know, as of right this moment, I have it on super reliable source, that there will be no more upgrades/updates/patches for FCP 5.0.4, the last version before the Universal Binary FCP 5.1. You can upgrade a non-Intel Mac with the 5.1 (Universal Binary) edition and you will continue to be supported by Apple and continue to get the updates.

So, just placed my orders to get updated 5.1 licenses for all my machines!

FYI!


bbalser
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Apr 6, 2006, 4:12 PM

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OH, and if you do go with an Intel Mac, you won't have Photoshop, After Effects, or MS Office until the end of 2006 or begining of 2007, when those companies have announced Intel Mac native versions of their software.

I'm posting this info as I am getting asked about going with Intel Macs a lot lately. I just want you guys to have all the info you need to make a good decision.


backfocus
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Apr 8, 2006, 6:36 AM

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bbalser
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Apr 8, 2006, 11:27 AM

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You're dreaming if you think any major upgrade, i.e. version 5.1 to 6.0 will come without a hefty upgrade cost. It's never happened for any software before, especially Apple's. And I personally would like to be able to continue my 5.x upgrades to see some of the kinks worked out of FCP 5.x a bit more. But 6.0 as a maintenance release? You really are dreaming. Not to mention FCP 6.0 is a year away.


garycox
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Apr 18, 2006, 3:10 PM

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O yea, the usual "let's force you to upgrade" tactic. While I'm sure it is a few years away I'll bet they will force you to upgrade to an Intel based Mac for continued updates and support...

... Gary


bbalser
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Apr 19, 2006, 10:01 AM

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Technology advances, your old stuff will always work fine. But to keep up with upgrades, you have to keep up with newer hardware it will be written to run on. This is true no matter what platform you're on. To port a pro app like FCP to a new harware platform is no simple matter. $49 to upgrade to the UB version of FCS is not a bad deal, really. I just upgraded three liceses for FCS and two for Logic. My position dictates I keep up. A lot of folks won't need to upgrade. If I didn't teach, I wouldn't bother with it.

Microsoft "FORCED" everyone to get rid of their 200Mhz machines at one time. It's an awkward upgrade going from G5 chips to Inel chips. But Apple will be the first to release hardware with the newer chips Intel has coming out. What the top of the line G5s will be replaced with is going to be a HUGE performance jump in the new Intels that will replace them. You don't have to get one if you don't want to. You're not being "forced" to do anything.

But do you really think in five years your 2.0/G5 will be able to run the latest software? Seriously, software will be written for much faster hardware with new technologies that aren't common today. Thus, that old 2.0/G5 won't be able to run it. How do you suggest Apple and MS handle it? If you make everything 100% backwards compatable, you reach a level where you can't evolve the technology anymore. You have to let old machines die off at some point. There's no way around it, no matter what platform you're on.

I'm just glad Apple has made FCP the most powerful and flexable NLE system on the market today. I get people who've switched from other systems in my certfication classes all the time. More than regular Mac users. And they are all simply blown away by all the stuff FCP does they were never aware of. So, $49 to get a copy of something I can take to the next set of Mac's I get, and continue my updates, when you think about it, it's a real bargin.

If I did this as a hobby, I'd be upset. But I pay my house notes with this business, and from a business point of view, this is a bargin of an update, considering what I'll be getting from it into the future. Just wait until late '06 or early '07 for the top of the line G5s to go Intel. The new Intel chips are going to blow everyone away, even Windows users. And at that point, there will be very limited support for the G5 platform, and that will be for a limited amount of time. What else are they supposed to do? Support your 5+ year old system you were too whiney to update?


garycox
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Apr 19, 2006, 12:18 PM

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My comments were a sort of pick at how it seems too good to be true. Right now it seems like a good deal, I'm going to upgrade my Final Cut Pro 5 to Final Cut Studio UB for $99 so I go from final cut pro to everything in the studio, seems like a great deal if it works without costing me more $$$ for something else that I might need as a result of it. Apple history leans toward "it's too good to be true" but this could be a first!

As for "What else are they supposed to do? Support your 5+ year old system you were too whiney to update?". The answer is Yes I do expect to get 5 years of compatibility and upgrades out of a system which cost me $2,500+ and for software which cost me $1,000. A PC based system that I bought for $399 I don't. So for $3,500 I can whine a bit! I would assume since you are apparently in the "education" side so you get "educational" discounts on everything?

I'm on my 3rd Mac system in 4 years time. No doubt the new Intel based Mac's will be more powerful and do much more. Based on history I seem to always have to shell out more $$$ for some reason or another, one upgrade requires another upgrade and so on to fix this problem that causes another problem. Sure it's the nature of computers and those in the business of selling them.

I know when I started out learing with Imovie. Something didn't work so I had to buy and upgrade, something else didn't work so I had to upgrade the OS to upgrade to a fix that I had to upgrade something else to fix that, shelling out $$$ each time...

I'm hoping the FCP UB version doesn't break anything so that I at least get to continue to operate as I am and be able to continue to receive upgrades for a while longer. It's too tempting to be able to go from Final Cut Pro 5 to the full studio for only $99, it's a great deal, where's the catch? I can't afford to upgrade to FCP UB only to find out it breaks something and the only way to fix it is to upgrade the hardware! Hopfully that won't be the case.

... Gary


RatVega
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Apr 19, 2006, 5:12 PM

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My comments were a sort of pick at how it seems too good to be true. Right now it seems like a good deal, I'm going to upgrade my Final Cut Pro 5 to Final Cut Studio UB for $99 so I go from final cut pro to everything in the studio, seems like a great deal if it works without costing me more $$$ for something else that I might need as a result of it. Apple history leans toward "it's too good to be true" but this could be a first!

I think if you look carefully, you'll see that Apple has a much better track record on the "it's too good to be true" front than the PC guys do. A lot of people are still running 1GHz dualie G4s and getting their money's worth. Maybe they're still on FCP4, but that is still a viable NLE for a lot of uses.

As for "What else are they supposed to do? Support your 5+ year old system you were too whiney to update?". The answer is Yes I do expect to get 5 years of compatibility and upgrades out of a system which cost me $2,500+ and for software which cost me $1,000. A PC based system that I bought for $399 I don't. So for $3,500 I can whine a bit! I would assume since you are apparently in the "education" side so you get "educational" discounts on everything?

While it's true that for $399 you can easily afford to let your PC become a doorstop at an early age, was it ever capable of cutting video? If you listen to guys like GmElliot who have (recently) played both sides of the street, the cost of a capable PC-based NLE isn't much cheaper than a Mac.

I'm on my 3rd Mac system in 4 years time. No doubt the new Intel based Mac's will be more powerful and do much more. Based on history I seem to always have to shell out more $$$ for some reason or another, one upgrade requires another upgrade and so on to fix this problem that causes another problem. Sure it's the nature of computers and those in the business of selling them.

I'm on my 4th Mac system in 4 years. All of them are running fine and producing good results. True, I had to make a leap to get into a system that is capable of running everything that Apple currently offers, but that's because the state of the art is advancing. I've done a lot of upgrading along the way (generally when I set the machine up), but basically never to fix problems. I do it to increase capabilities. If you want a 867 Quicksilver or a dual 450 G4 to run Motion, perhaps you're expecting a bit too much...

I know when I started out learing with Imovie. Something didn't work so I had to buy and upgrade, something else didn't work so I had to upgrade the OS to upgrade to a fix that I had to upgrade something else to fix that, shelling out $$$ each time...

Sounds like you didn't do any research on what it takes to make a capable NLE before you started. If you start out with a bare minimum machine and want maximum output, don't blame the manufacturer. Research what is needed, get the right gear, and go to work. Analogy: Putting a 400 HP nitrous kit on your Honda won't make it a racecar, it'll just break all the pieces you need to replace in order for it to become a racecar... and it'll break them at the worst possible time.

I'm hoping the FCP UB version doesn't break anything so that I at least get to continue to operate as I am and be able to continue to receive upgrades for a while longer. It's too tempting to be able to go from Final Cut Pro 5 to the full studio for only $99, it's a great deal, where's the catch? I can't afford to upgrade to FCP UB only to find out it breaks something and the only way to fix it is to upgrade the hardware! Hopfully that won't be the case.

What model of Mac are you currently running?






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(This post was edited by RatVega on Apr 19, 2006, 5:20 PM)