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UPDATED! - SUCCESS! Anyone have some Apple branded DVD-R's and Toast 7?

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Joel
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Jan 21, 2007, 1:31 AM

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So after two failed attempts with Verbatim media (many say that that is the OEM of Apple blanks) I finally found the type that burns at the burner's rated speed. These are the little bastards that work:

http://www.cdrdvdrmedia.com/...r-media-branded.html

The disc code is 95102. cdrdvdrmedia.com is just another front for the meritline/supermediastore group and happened to have the best price when I bought, but the others carry the same disc.

By the way -Toast 8 has really been reworked. Looks and works totally differently. Has some new features I actually find helpful:

http://www.roxio.com/...tanium/overview.html

I just wish it made smoke like DiscoApp:

http://discoapp.com/

Hi all,

I'm trying to figure out what DVD-R will burn at 8x on my MacBook Pro. Every brand I have, though rated at 8x or 16x, only burns at 2x on the internal burner. Take that same disc and put it in an external burner and it burns at its rated speed. The word from Apple is that their media burns at 8x, so there is nothing wrong. But I don't want to buy Apple media. So if anyone has some Apple branded DVD-R's I was hoping that I could find out what the Manufacturer's ID of that media is. The only way I know of to find that out is with Toast 7. Pop an Apple disc in, open Toast and select:

Recorder > Disc Info. Half way down you'll see a Manufacturer ID. What is it? If you want to see what other brands of discs have that ID click the 'More...' button.

Thanks!

Joel

"Think of this business as a room with a huge table and a bunch of chairs around the table. There is a big pie on the table. Your mission is to take your place at the table, pick up your fork, and eat your pie. Do not look to the left and do not look to the right. Just eat your pie. There is plenty of pie for everyone."

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(This post was edited by Joel on Feb 6, 2007, 3:46 PM)

carnicelli
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Jan 23, 2007, 9:14 AM

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Joel, That's silly! It should not matter what brand of DVD you're using. It should burn at a faster speed then 2X. It sounds like something is wrong with the burners firmware. Maybe you can take one of your blank DVDs to the Apple store and see if you can burn some data on it with another Macbook Pro. If the other Macbook Pro burns faster then 2X with your disc then you know that there is something wrong with your Macbook.

Bill Carnicelli
Carnicelli Media Productions Inc

Joel
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Jan 23, 2007, 1:35 PM

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Hi Bill,

It is silly. There are actually petition sites gathering momentum because of this situation. So far only Apple media reliably burns at faster than 2x. Apple knows all about it. They've actually locked off threads on their discussion boards relating to this. Their rationale is that their media burns at the max possible so everything is ok. The maker of the burner, Matshita, nor Apple has provided any firmware updates. What is amazing is that this goes back to the later PowerBooks and iBooks. Its hard to believe they get away with advertising 8x speeds.

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Joel

"Think of this business as a room with a huge table and a bunch of chairs around the table. There is a big pie on the table. Your mission is to take your place at the table, pick up your fork, and eat your pie. Do not look to the left and do not look to the right. Just eat your pie. There is plenty of pie for everyone."

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DarrenS
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Jan 27, 2007, 8:25 AM

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Ah those Apple machines are just so darn compatible with the rest of the world, aren't they? lol

I will never own Apple crap for this exact reason. They outright lie in those stupid television commercials with the fat guy and the skinny guy. Apple incessantly comparing their machines to PCs is about as lame as videographers comparing themselves to photographers (in an effort to make themselves look more attractive)

I'm not sure what's more pathetic...the company lying to drum up business or the suckas that fall for the ruse.

Ah well, I enjoy hearing that apple computer sales are even softer than usual these days.

Good luck, boys.

carnicelli
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Jan 27, 2007, 9:58 AM

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Darren, it's a tool to get a job done. Mac and PCs are complicated pieces of technology. They all have their problems. I use both platforms and given a choice I prefer the Mac. I'm more comfortably using it.

As far your comment that computer sales are falling, that is just false. From a recent CNN article: "Apple shipped 21.1 million iPods in the first quarter and 1.61 million Macintosh computers, representing increases on the same quarter a year ago of 50 percent and 28 percent, respectively. The iPods accounted for 48 percent of overall revenue and Mac shipments were 34 percent of revenue."

Darren I don't know you and I'm not trying to attack you but your post did nothing to help Joel with his problem and you're spreading misinformation.

Bill Carnicelli
Carnicelli Media Productions Inc

(This post was edited by carnicelli on Jan 27, 2007, 12:08 PM)

DarrenS
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Jan 28, 2007, 10:55 AM

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Yea they increased a bit in the states but decreased world wide. There's more to the world than the USA, and business is global. Still way less than 3% market share worldwide, and falling. There were probably more people at your xmas party than there are sales people pushing the mac to corporate America, plus their dishonest commercials on television obviously target the gullible (read:clueless) home market and little kids.

Jobs' master plan of putting out little peripherals (ipod et al) for kids which use the mac as a hub is going to fail, mark my words. He's targeting kids because that's what people do who want to win the future and haven't got a good enough story to convince adults. That may work for terrorists and other religious nutbars, however it won't work in the computer world. Those kids that get sucked in to the cool plastic designs are going to finish school and get out into the real world of business and find there are no macs at the company they're applying to. Whoops! Only way it will work is if apple finally runs Windows natively one day, and if that happens then why on Earth would anyone spend more to own a Mac in the first place? For the cool design? Not likely. Money talks, and low prices will always win. Open architecture will always win, too. Macs are closed for business (pun intended).

Personally I don't think Jobs cares about selling more computers. He's a smart business man. He cares about profit and he does extremely well at generating profit. Better than most companies, in fact. I respect and applaud Steve Jobs. But his computers will always suck as long as they don't work properly with the rest of the world's machines.

(This post was edited by DarrenS on Jan 28, 2007, 10:57 AM)

carnicelli
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Jan 28, 2007, 11:49 AM

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Darren, I appreciate the fact that you so hate the Mac computer and I'm not going to try and change your mind about them. But you do seem misinformed about the state of Apple Computer and the Mac computers specifically. The new intel macs can and do run windows natively. People are paying more to own a Mac for the cool design to run windows on them.

I personally don't care if my Macs don't "work properly with the rest of the world's machines" because they do everything I need them to do for me. Have you ever worked as an IT person for a large company cause you sure do sound like one? Wink

Well at least we agree that Jobs is a smart guy! It sounds like your PC works well for you and you are comfortably using them and that's always a good thing. Smile

Bill Carnicelli
Carnicelli Media Productions Inc

DarrenS
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Jan 28, 2007, 12:41 PM

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If it's true you can run windows natively (and I believe you that it can...you'd know better than I afterall) then it just proves the Mac will remain an insignifigant niche player forever, if it even survives long term. Sales should have soared like crazy. They didn't. In fact they're down, according to Forbes and Bloomberg. Only reason I keep track of Apple is because I have a position in it...which I'm going to be dumping very soon. If it drops another couple percent I'm out.

Been into computers heavy since I was 10 (38 now). Been self employed since 93 as an IT consultant. Macs have been a major thorn in my side for years. I completely understand your 'stand-alone' satisfaction with them, however, if you ever had to put the 'work' into 'network' you'd consider them toys too. Smile

edit: my spelling sucks Blush

(This post was edited by DarrenS on Jan 28, 2007, 12:42 PM)

DarrenS
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Jan 28, 2007, 12:49 PM

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Incidently Bill, I can tell your website was built with a Mac without even inspecting the source code. How? It doesn't present properly on IE...the world's most popular browser.

You really should care about your mac working with the world's computers. It affects your business.

carnicelli
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Jan 28, 2007, 2:52 PM

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Darren, did Steve Jobs beat you up and steal your lunch money? Wink

Ok, you're an IT guy. That explains a lot to me. In my experience with IT guys they don't like the Mac because the fear what they don't understand and can control. It challenges their authority. I'm assuming that you're a smart guy and that it's "sport" for you to antagonize us Mac people. I'm really starting to believe that you are just having fun with me.

Bill Carnicelli
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DarrenS
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Jan 28, 2007, 3:06 PM

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No sir! Just look at the screen grab above. Does that look proper to you? Are you happy that 90% of the world sees your site like that? Macs in a PC world are like the cyclist that rides his bike on the freeway. Royal pain in the butt for most people. One guy slows a hundred down. But he don't care about them.

Your website is a tiny tiny example of huge problems IT guys face when macs are included on the network. You really have no idea how big of a problem they are to everyone else just trying to get their work done. It's got nothing to do with 'control' or 'fear'. lol..the IT guys I've known aren't flakey like that. It's about minimising problems in a problem-laden environment, period. 'Thinking Different' on a network just bites.

carnicelli
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Jan 28, 2007, 3:06 PM

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Darren, my website not showing up on your browser correctly has nothing to do with the fact that it was created on a Mac and everything to do with my choice of software. You're an IT guy you should know that better then anyone. My choice of software is Rapidweaver. Rapidweaver conforms to CSS standards which IE6 doesn't. So, that might account for the discrepancy. What does concern me is that I've tested my site on IE6 on several PCs and it always has displayed correctly. I have a close friend who is a website designer test it on her PC and she reported back that it displayed correctly for her too. So maybe there is an issue with your PC. You really should care about your PC working correctly. It affects your business. I hear Best Buy has some fine PC techs. Tongue

Bill Carnicelli
Carnicelli Media Productions Inc

DarrenS
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Jan 28, 2007, 3:11 PM

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IE7 not 6.

Bill Kinkle
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Jan 28, 2007, 4:21 PM

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Been reading though the thread...just curious Darren, why do you even look in the Mac forum? Seems odd given your opinion, why waste the time?

DarrenS
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Jan 28, 2007, 4:26 PM

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Today, this Sunday, is a time-wasting day for me. Major toothache from an incompetent dentist.

Tylenol 3's are kinda fun tho. Angelic

Bill Kinkle
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Jan 28, 2007, 4:38 PM

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2ndMile
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Jan 28, 2007, 11:55 PM

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His site doesn't display in IE correctly because the CSS is a little out of whack. Not because it was designed on a mac. Besides the fact that IE doesn't handle floats well and does not fully implement web standards. Yes.. it needs to be fixed but it is not broke because it was designed on a mac.

Are you just trying to pick fights? Take a couple more T#s and go watch some TV.

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DarrenS
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Jan 29, 2007, 5:57 AM

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http://www.realmacsoftware.com/...viewtopic.php?id=288

LMAO @ the 'expert' named JPH. Laugh

These macheads would cut off their nose to spite their face, I swear to gawd. Poor business decisions. It's still kinda funny after all these years.

More 'compatible' apple output:

(This post was edited by DarrenS on Jan 29, 2007, 7:29 AM)

2ndMile
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Jan 29, 2007, 10:39 AM

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iWeb does have issues and proprietary code but as you may remember, IE and Netscape spearheaded the proprietary code game and we are all still suffering for it (even with IE 7).

Brian Morris
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GmElliott
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Jan 29, 2007, 11:21 AM

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Been reading though the thread...just curious Darren, why do you even look in the Mac forum? Seems odd given your opinion, why waste the time?

It's a little known fact that Darren is actually on the fence regarding switching to the Mac platform. His posts here are the manifestation of the a last ditch effort from the little redmond devil perched on his shoulder.

It's ok Darren, I've crossed over and it's good....very good. Angelic

*Just joking w/ ya D* Laugh

Glen Elliott
http://www.GmElliottVideo.com

2ndMile
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Jan 29, 2007, 11:36 AM

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"Walk towards the light Carroll Anne!" Angelic

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GmElliott
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Jan 29, 2007, 11:50 AM

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Joel I'll have to try burning some discs on my MBP. Though I have the 15" and it has a slower internal burner than the 17. I'll be using it pretty often now that I'm picking up this program!!!!!!!!....

http://www.fastdvdcopy.com/

Glen Elliott
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Joel
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Jan 29, 2007, 3:19 PM

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Thanks Glen. I'd love to get the burner up to speed - pun intended.

That looks like a great ripper. I've been using MacTheRipper to make a copy of the DVD to my hard drive. I then burn a copy (with compression if need be) with Toast to a DVD-R and also make an MPEG4 version to a hard drive with Handbrake.

I've got the MacTheRipper intel version beta, (which isn't publicly available) here:

http://WeddingFilms.com/MacTheRipper_3.zip

and Handbrake is here:

http://handbrake.m0k.org/?page_id=24

Both are free but donate if you can - they are both fantastic, stable apps.

Joel

"Think of this business as a room with a huge table and a bunch of chairs around the table. There is a big pie on the table. Your mission is to take your place at the table, pick up your fork, and eat your pie. Do not look to the left and do not look to the right. Just eat your pie. There is plenty of pie for everyone."

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(This post was edited by Joel on Jan 29, 2007, 3:22 PM)

DarrenS
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Jan 29, 2007, 5:06 PM

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Hey you said you wouldn't tell anybody man. NO more soup for you! Laugh

GmElliott
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Jan 29, 2007, 6:11 PM

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Yeah I have both of them and some other program Bill Kinkle told me about that takes the Mac The Ripper Video_TS folder and removes all the add-ons to make it fit on a single DVD-5 disk.

I like FastDVDCopy4.0 because it does EVERYTHING with a single click. No two step proceedures. That is, of course, in regards to making a DVD copy not an MPG4 version.

Glen Elliott
http://www.GmElliottVideo.com

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