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Upgrade from FCP 4.5 to FCP 5.0

 

 


toni
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Dec 16, 2005, 6:07 PM

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I am using FCP 4.5 and was wondering if I need to upgrade to version 5.
I did some reading and I am coming up with the only difference in
the 2 versions is that 5.0 has the multi-camera editing. Is this correct
or did I miss something?

Thanks
toni


RatVega
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Dec 19, 2005, 4:31 PM

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Yes, you missed a lot...

and no, you probably don't need to upgrade yet...

FCP5 (or better yet, Final Cut Studio) has hundreds of new improvements beyond multi-camera editing.
There's RT Extreme, higher resolution in Viewer, HDV compatibility, and hundreds of fun little things. The fact that you only identified multi-cam indicates (to me, at least) that you might enjoy, but probably don't need, most of what FCP5 offers.

We cut on 4 Macs, from a 1GHz G4 dualie to a 2.5GHz G5 dualie. I have FCP5 up on two systems, FCP4.5 on the others. There are differences, but we still do the rough work on 4.5 because it's fine for that. FCP5 offers more capability (and to some extent, more complexity) on the bigger machines for finishing.

If your system is fairly new and fast and you're up for a change, be my guest... We'll probably be on both 'til FCP6 comes out!





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Currently on a loaded 2.5GHz G5 dualie/5GB/1TB internal RAID/dual 19" monitors. Final Cut Studio, Adobe Suite, Boris RED. Shooting with Canon.

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toni
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Dec 24, 2005, 8:14 AM

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Thanks for responding to my post RatVega!

I guess I posted quickly and did not make myself clear why
I was asking these questions.
I am using 4.5HD on a single processor G5. Although I would love to
get my hands on a Quad I can't afford too much right now.
I am considering going to work for a studio that uses FCP5,
so I looked up the difference between both versions and saw multi-camera
editing and was wondering if there was more I needed to brush up on.
That's when the thought of upgrading to FCP5 myself entered my mind.

But, you do say "FCP5 (or better yet, Final Cut Studio) has hundreds
of new improvements beyond multi-camera editing."
My understanding is that Final Cut Studio (Studio) is the package
with the 4 applications. Final Cut Pro 5 is just that, FCP5.
Whether I get the FC Studio or just the Final Cut Pro 5 it is the same,
FCP5. Because I never mentioned the other applications at all.
Right now at home I am using FCP4.5HD and DVDPro3.
I am not interested in motion or soundtrack right now.

So I guess my question is really will it be too much of jump
from working with 4.5 to 5.0, and it's it worth it for me to upgrade right now?

Thanks
toni





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Yes, you missed a lot...

and no, you probably don't need to upgrade yet...

FCP5 (or better yet, Final Cut Studio) has hundreds of new improvements beyond multi-camera editing.
There's RT Extreme, higher resolution in Viewer, HDV compatibility, and hundreds of fun little things. The fact that you only identified multi-cam indicates (to me, at least) that you might enjoy, but probably don't need, most of what FCP5 offers.

We cut on 4 Macs, from a 1GHz G4 dualie to a 2.5GHz G5 dualie. I have FCP5 up on two systems, FCP4.5 on the others. There are differences, but we still do the rough work on 4.5 because it's fine for that. FCP5 offers more capability (and to some extent, more complexity) on the bigger machines for finishing.

If your system is fairly new and fast and you're up for a change, be my guest... We'll probably be on both 'til FCP6 comes out!



RatVega
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Dec 24, 2005, 9:39 AM

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Thanks for making your situation clear, many of the differences between the versions are lost on users who don't cut full time...

Wanting to get your hands on a Quad is becoming a widespread epidemic. Wink

Across the board, the majority of the improvements seem ho-hum, but many can improve your workflow if you're doing a lot of cutting, and others just sit there and do their magic quietly.

The most noticable feature is, as you mentioned, Multiclip editing. If you get into a studio environment with smart management, you may find yourself using it more quickly than you suspect, since the environment can also be used to improve other cutting challanges. What you'll find new is a tangental issue, RT options. Understanding and getting these right can definitely make you a happier camper. There is a new sync mechanism similar to "gang" which will lock the timeline, Canvas, and viewer together and update Viewer as Canvas plays. If you're a detail editor, this can make keyframing and the like smoother. Speaking of smooth, the render resolution is higher for motion effects and graphics is higher, resulting in smoother paths and less "jaggies" when rotating objects. You now have adjustable font sizing in the timeline and Browser.

Title 3D (AKA Boris Calligraphy) is now in version 2 and has some new capabilities. The interface remains largely the same, so not much learning there...

Another new item is Button Bars, both for Multi-cam editing and other common workflows. Still and generator rendering is now handled differently, improving playback.

There are improvements in the audio palyback and capture, XML support (for going back to FCP4 if needed), improved Scratch Disk management, better media reconnection... a lot of small stuff that makes life easier if you live on your Mac.

I understand your current disinterest in Motion and Soundtrack, I was a lot the same way until version 5. One major improvement in FCP5 is the way it supports other ProApps in the FC Studio environment. I previously viewed Motion as largely a gizmo insofar as editing goes, something in the Illustrator class - a capable app that I'd seldom use in my workflow. Now Motion is a secret weapon in my Mac arsenel. I use it for serious titling and DVD motion menu creation on a regular basis. What made the difference wasn't so much the improvements in Motion 2 as the improvement in how FCP interacts with Motion - the Send To menu. The same is true with Soundtrack Pro and LiveType 2.

The problem with FCP5 isn't the learning curve, you know 90% of what you need to work in the environment. You may find that it is a "spoiler" and make you want to spend all your time there.

I won't try to influence your decision as to whether FCP5 is "worth it", but if you have any specific questions on any FCP5 functions, just ask!





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toni
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Dec 24, 2005, 4:39 PM

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Thank you RV

Great info! I think for now I am going to get myself a great
tutorial, intermediate to advance, something that covers both
version 4 and 5, HDV editing, multi-camera editing etc. I think it would
help me a lot and I can keep editing at home with 4.5 HD till
I can afford the Quad and FC Studio. Yet at the same time
if I need to work using FCP5 I will know what I am doing.

I did some searching through the forums and got some ideas
on tutorials. Is there one you recommend that would cover all of
the above?

Thanks again, you are the man when it comes to
FCP!
toni


RatVega
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Dec 24, 2005, 5:24 PM

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I generally recommend Ripple Training tutorials for several reasons:

I hate tutorials - they're usually long on sleep inducement and short on "hard" info. Steve Martin from Ripple isn't either. I get his stuff to nicely explain things to my wife and crew that I just can't connect with them on.

Tutorials are expensive and usually not really worth it. I know as fact that Steve makes quite an effort to really provide value in his tutorials, especially in the areas of tips and techniques. He is a master of this - he is an Apple Certified Senior Trainer, teaches extension courses at UCLA, and regularly presents for Apple at major events like NAB, MacWorld, WEVA, etc.

I cut some of the tutorials that I'm recommending here, so I have an insider view. Steve has had me on Post for several productions over the last year. I know what his standards are.

A couple of things in closing:

I have no financial interest in any sales at Ripple Training, I just cut for them as a indy post guy.

The trick to getting what you need is in understanding what info the products are meant to provide. Read the descriptions, then call Ripple if you have questions. In your case, I'm thinking that "Final Cut Pro: Advanced Techniques" might be quite valuable to you. It focuses on advanced workflow techniques to really get you productive. There is an download you can purchase to augment it for Multicam when you need the scoop on that.

Just to keep things on the up-and-up, I'll mention that the tutorial "Getting Started in Final Cut 5" is well passed its planned release date for reasons I honestly am not privy to. In any case, it's meant for newbies, not those already working in FCP.





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VU California Crew, Inland Empire Sub-Chapter (paragraph?)


toni
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Dec 28, 2005, 3:04 AM

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I generally recommend Ripple Training tutorials



I placed my order, I should get it in a few days.



In your case, I'm thinking that "Final Cut Pro: Advanced Techniques" might be quite valuable to you. It focuses on advanced workflow techniques to really get you productive. There is an download you can purchase to augment it for Multicam when you need the scoop on that.


RV, I still have a lot to learn. What I know I have taught myself and I want to make sure I know it well. I can't say I know 90% of it, I went ahead and ordered
Inside Final Cut Pro 5 (2 DVD-ROMS). It covers FCP5, FCP4.5HD,
and FCP4. It cost me 89.00, think it was a good price.


Also I wanted to ask you, I am trying to export from FCP a 3 to 4 minute
Quicktime movie to send to a friend, I am having trouble,
can you tell me the best way to do this. Maybe walk me through
it.
See what I mean? FCP Guru I'm not!!!! ... lol

Thank you!
toni


bbalser
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Dec 28, 2005, 9:44 PM

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The "Apple Pro Training Series" is about the best FCP training around. You can get through it in a week, easy. It goes fast. And everything is super relevent. I swear by the first one (for v.5) and the advanced color correction book for 5. Nothing beats them.


RatVega
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Dec 29, 2005, 8:22 PM

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Hey, I don't know 90% of it either...

FCP is a very complex and wide spectrum application if your goal is to learn everything. Heck I don't even have the equipment to capture footage for some of the things it can do, much less any experience. I've focused on two things: understanding as much as I can about FCP as it applies to my milieu, and what capabilities it has in areas I don't work.

Exporting a clip for your friend is a no sweat deal, but first you need to decide where you want to be in the areas of size, quality, and playability. Platform is sometimes an issue as well.

If you want to send it to play on a decent computer at the best quality, I'd output it as QT .mov file. It will be huge (something like 225MB per minute) and will have to be loaded to their hard drive for playback because it requires more bandwidth than most CD/DVD players have. But it'll look pretty much the same as your timeline. If you max out all the quality settings, it's virtually the same as an FCP Movie but with a different wrapper. At 4 minutes, it's approaching 1GB, so you'd burn it as data on a DVD.

If you want to play it as a DVD, your only option is to encode as MPEG-2, either as primary streams for authoring in DVDSP or make the .mov above and submit it to iDVD, Toast, or whatever for automatic encoding. The quality is lower, but still quite good if you use the highest quality presets available.

If you're looking for something to play like web clip, your best encoding choices are MPEG-4, H.264, or one of the Sorenson codecs. These are fairly small, but still huge by "email standards." However, you have more control over the frame size and such to reduce the overall file size. Doing so is a bit of an art, so expect to experiment some to get the best quality/size combination.

Some PCs and older Macs may have a problem handling some of the snazzier new options like H.264, which rocks for size/quality but requires a lot of processing power to decode. PCs tend not to like oddball specs (like 32-KHz/12-bit sound) in QT even if it handles them in some other apps. QT just isn't as central to the scheme of things on a Windoze machine as it is on a Mac.

Irrespective of the encoding, you'll want to get you clip built in the FCP timeline and fully rendered. From there, my preference is to output a self-contained QT movie if I'm going to MPEG-2. While it's possible to output most any format directly, I don't favor this approach for MPEG-2 because I use Dolby AC-3 encoding for the audio and I like to hand A.Pack (the Dolby encoder) a QT movie for simplicity's sake.

A QT Movie (at highest quality) or an FCP Movie will maintain the original sound quality which is quite high. In MPEG-$, you'll want to pay some attention to the audio encoding specs since they bear on overall clip size and can often be reduced without much audio loss. FCP uses an audio spec that is higher than CD quality (48KHz/16-bit) which is cool if you're shipping a short clip as data via optical storage (CD/DVD) since it'll be played from hard drive in the end.

What you plan to do is probably the best way to learn these procedures, so "know your target" (understand what your friend can play), get the clip together, go to File>Export>, and try a couple of different possibilities for quality/size.

Post back your questions/problems, I'll be "in the area"...





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Currently on a loaded 2.5GHz G5 dualie/5GB/1TB internal RAID/dual 19" monitors. Final Cut Studio, Adobe Suite, Boris RED. Shooting with Canon.

VU California Crew, Inland Empire Sub-Chapter (paragraph?)