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Commercials...tips

 

 


dvddynamix
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Sep 20, 2007, 12:24 AM

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For those of you who have shot a commercial could you offer some tips? Here are some questions I have
Have you had any formal training before shooting your first one?
What cameras do you use?
How many people do you hire to help?
Do you do all the scripting?
What audio equipment do you use?
What lighting?
What format is your final commercial in?
Do most customers have an idea as to what they want or do you make suggestions?

I'm sure I'll have more questions later. Reason for the questions is because I am seriously thinking of going full
time with my business. I have a friend that wants to invest and has many business contacts that he feels are going
to need commercials. I have no formal training in that area and would like to be prepared in case something came up.


Timothy Harry
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Sep 20, 2007, 2:16 PM

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For those of you who have shot a commercial could you offer some tips? Here are some questions I have
Have you had any formal training before shooting your first one? does my experience running the TV studio in college count? I seriously picked it up pretty quick

What cameras do you use? Currently I am using the HVX200 and shoot on P2. Most commercials are done in DVCPRO 50 at 4:3 because the local broadcasters have no way of taking HD

How many people do you hire to help? I dont really hire anyone unless I really need to. FOr an assistant I will either drag my wife with me, or use one fo the clients staff members to help with whatever. Helps keep both mine and the clients cost per hour down. If I had to hire an assistant I would have to charge a lot more to shoot the video

Do you do all the scripting? Yes and no, I get a lot of my stuff through a local ad agency, and they script their own commercials, I just shoot and edit. The stuff I do on my own yes I do a little bit of writing, but I make the client be involved in the process

What audio equipment do you use? I use a wireless LAV, had an ME66 for a while but sold it because I did not use it enough, and a standard sure SM58 running through a yamaha mixer which runs into my capture card for voiceovers. If I do not do the voiceover, I gut one of the guys in the radio station down the hall to do it. normal cost is like 25-50 bucks depending on which DJ does it for me.

What lighting? I use halogen worklamps with the grates removed for now. I am looking at a professional Lowell kit, but I need to get a few more actual commercials before I invest in a kit.

What format is your final commercial in? Out here I have 4 choices for the stations to accept. Mini DV, DVCAM, BETA SP, and DVD. I started out just doing DVD, but have sinced switched to using Mini DV, because the quality is a little bit higher. I can play a beta, but to me it was not worth the extra cost to invest in a beta recorder that I may only use for about another couple of years.

Do most customers have an idea as to what they want or do you make suggestions? Sometimes yes, sometimes no. I will make suggestions and help change settings to get the best picture possible.

I'm sure I'll have more questions later. Reason for the questions is because I am seriously thinking of going full
time with my business. I have a friend that wants to invest and has many business contacts that he feels are going
to need commercials. I have no formal training in that area and would like to be prepared in case something came up.

If you have an investor, get the right equipment first, buy yourself a good camera, a good light kit, and a strong editing machine unless you already have it. Also invest in lighting and shooting tutorials, you will be expected to know quite a bit of technical lingo like lighting terms etc. Check out this thread for lighting info.

Tim Harry

Bandwagon Media
Odessa, TX

"I'd rather be a conservative nut job than a liberal with no nuts and no job."




dvddynamix
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Sep 28, 2007, 1:56 AM

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Tim, thank you for all the valuable info. I am still doing research and lots of reading up on creating commercials. I just want to be prepared because I have a feeling I may get a shot of doing one real soon.


MoonLitNite
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Oct 2, 2007, 1:02 AM

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Hi Lalo,

Tim gave many thoughtful responses. While it's typical for folks in our biz to ask lots of techie questions, try to keep your main focus on the marketing aspects. Regardless of whether you're doing a 30 second spot or a 21 minute infomercial, you'll find lots of provocative commercial advertising/marketing books available - try going to Amazon and scanning for "infomercials", "commercials", etc.

Good luck, Michael
Happy Trails to you... until we meet again

(This post was edited by MoonLitNite on Oct 2, 2007, 1:03 AM)


krissimmons
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Nov 8, 2007, 6:23 PM

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Great advice here. The best way to learn how to produce a commercial is to try it! You can produce one for a fictitious business or you can approach someone you know that owns a business and offer to do it for free. Producing any type of video can be complicated if you aren't an experienced producer/director/shooter/editor so the best way to get experience is to dive in!

Regarding your investor friend, tread carefully. This is a totally different topic but if this thing goes bad along the way, your friendship might follow. Typically, it's only smart to invest in proven businesses or at least a business in which the owner (you) has a thorough understanding of the business that is being invested in. Not trying to rain on the parade....just offering some points to ponder.

I'd suggest that you practice with rented or borrowed gear to get a handle on how to develop commercials as well as your overall business model. Good luck!

Kris
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http://www.FEPvideo.com


hlanden
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Dec 7, 2007, 9:42 AM

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On the technical side, be sure you know some of the requirements of the station. Here's a typical
list of broadcast quality requirements for commercials and infomercials:

http://www.videouniversity.com/bcstreq.htm


Local commercials can be very tough to make a profit with. You can produce a ton of them and not be able to afford health insurance. Regional spots will be more profitable, but require a lot more production value if your skills are up to it. One smart way to learn is to go work for someone who does a lot of them. Be willing to work as a production assistant and make sure you do a good job and make your boss look good.

Hal
Produce Profitable Special Interest Videos


Timothy Harry
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Dec 7, 2007, 10:13 AM

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hal,

It has been my experience....at least out here that local commercials do pay well, you just have to be firm in how you price it and stand firm on your price. I got into it because I was convenient to the ad agency (right next door) and they needed a job done fast. I priced myself the same as the other guys and they did not balk too bad. They always try to get me to go down on my price, but I chalk that up to just business. I charge $150 per hour and most of the time come out a little cheaper than my competitors because I work really fast. The sad thing is that I make 2-4 times the amount off of a commercial or corporate video than I do off of wedding videos. I continue to do weddings mainly because I enjoy it and it gives me a chance to show my human side, that may or may not come out in a TV spot. The article you have on your website is very helpful as well...

Tim Harry

Bandwagon Media
Odessa, TX

"I'd rather be a conservative nut job than a liberal with no nuts and no job."




hlanden
The Dean / Moderator


Dec 7, 2007, 10:28 AM

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I should have clarified: The typical cost of producing a local cable commercial can vary dramatically say between a cable connect in New York City or one in Middletown, NY. I knew producers in the latter who would charge $100 - $200 for a complete commercial!

If you are getting $150/hr for local commercials, you're on the right side of the equation. Good for you.

Hal
Produce Profitable Special Interest Videos


Timothy Harry
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Dec 7, 2007, 11:04 AM

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i think i would rather chew my arm off than produce a whole commercial for 100 bucks.....no way is that enough, especiallyonce you factor in equipment etc. I guess it is a good thing out here that they value production high enough that they will pay my rate. The TV stations do a flat rate price of 300-350 bucks, but one look at their commercials you know why they charge what they do. I would dare say that they dont get a ton of repeat business based on the number of business that the other production companies including myself end up getting.

Tim Harry

Bandwagon Media
Odessa, TX

"I'd rather be a conservative nut job than a liberal with no nuts and no job."