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Do you hand over master tapes?

 

 


X-Kevin_Kent
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Jan 21, 2001, 12:04 AM

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I emailed this somewhat unknown band who lives outside the US who was coming to the US to do a benefit children's concert, a week before their gig.
I told them that I'd do the work "on spec" since it was a children's benefit and didn't want to siphon funds away from the
kids. All that I'd ask was to pay for my materials (2 mini DV tapes, 2 Hi8 tapes, BetaSP 60 min tape) and we'd split the sales of videos, tapes, CD's (30 band, 30 me, 40 kids.)
Since they didn't respond to the email, I showed up at the concert anyway since it was 3 blocks away. After presenting my offer to them, they said they wanted me to hand over the 4 camera master tapes when I left without payment for materials or pay them $25,000 for exclusive rights to use the tapes for whatever I wanted, including sales. Additionally, after handing over the master tapes, they wanted the option to take them to their own editor, and wanted exclusive distribution and marketing rights. Then they'd send me a VHS copy for my own use.
They said that they were afraid that I'd start marketing products without their approval or revenue to them. Therefore, they wanted complete control.
I walked out without pushing a button. Man, try to do some kids and a newbie band a favor! What chutzpah!
Do any of you hand over the camera master if the work is for hire? Other than the hourly rate ($100/hr), you've totally sold yourself out for any future editing or marketing potential.
Thanks.



X-Tom_Media_Arts
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Jan 21, 2001, 3:16 PM

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: I emailed this somewhat unknown band who lives outside the US who was coming to the US to do a benefit children's concert, a week before their gig.
: I told them that I'd do the work "on spec" since it was a children's benefit and didn't want to siphon funds away from the
: kids. All that I'd ask was to pay for my materials (2 mini DV tapes, 2 Hi8 tapes, BetaSP 60 min tape) and we'd split the sales of videos, tapes, CD's (30 band, 30 me, 40 kids.)
: Since they didn't respond to the email, I showed up at the concert anyway since it was 3 blocks away. After presenting my offer to them, they said they wanted me to hand over the 4 camera master tapes when I left without payment for materials or pay them $25,000 for exclusive rights to use the tapes for whatever I wanted, including sales. Additionally, after handing over the master tapes, they wanted the option to take them to their own editor, and wanted exclusive distribution and marketing rights. Then they'd send me a VHS copy for my own use.
: They said that they were afraid that I'd start marketing products without their approval or revenue to them. Therefore, they wanted complete control.
: I walked out without pushing a button. Man, try to do some kids and a newbie band a favor! What chutzpah!
: Do any of you hand over the camera master if the work is for hire? Other than the hourly rate ($100/hr), you've totally sold yourself out for any future editing or marketing potential.
: Thanks.

It's THEIR music, images, careers and concert so, unfortunately they
have the right to ask for that kind of control. It all falls under
the heading of a "work for hire" . Bands are managed and run so
efficiently these days, you might as well try the same scenario with THE STONES.
Bands are so worried about their star power (even before it exists!)
that they really can't take the chance of some local Hack butchering
their supposed images. It's nothing personal and you could be the next
Godly & Chreme (famous Music Video & Film Creators). It's also a way for them to make some bucks.
When you shoot copyrighted material for someone else as in a work for hire
like a concert, even if they let you keep the tapes, you could NEVER
legally have the commercial rights to those tapes without written
permission and material clearances from the band or their management.
And that's not even considering how much you might have to PAY them.
Thus, this is what the music biz is all about.