VideoUniversity.com
Home Free Library Store
Free Catalog

Please support VU by making your B&H purchases and links through this B&H ad. Doesn't cost a penny more. <a href="http://www.bhphotovideo.com?BI=603&KBID=1017"><IMG src="/images/flash_ads/videoUniv2_revised_conv.jpg" alt="B&H Photo" width="260" height="70"></a>
Video University Sponsor
Advertisement

See The New VU Postcard Catalog

To post in the forums see the Forum Guidelines.

Join or Renew Today.
New Benefits for all VU Members
Forum Guidelines and FAQ
Main Index Search Posts
Who's Online Log In


Home: Video University Forums: Sony DV and DVCAM Forum:
DV - NTSC compressor lossy?

 

 


X-Michael
Imported Account

Mar 10, 2001, 5:47 PM

Post #1 of 3 (593 views)
Shortcut
DV - NTSC compressor lossy? Can't Post

I do alot of editing in premiere and After effects. I edit and compress a piece of footage several times over and over. Am I loosing quality if I keep exporting out movies using the DV-NTSC compressor? Does this codec recompress and degrade the quality?
Also I tried exporting footage uncompressed but the files became outagiously big.
Thanks


X-mike_velte
Imported Account

Mar 10, 2001, 7:32 PM

Post #2 of 3 (592 views)
Shortcut
Re: DV - NTSC compressor lossy? Can't Post

: I do alot of editing in premiere and After effects. I edit and compress a piece of footage several times over and over. Am I loosing quality if I keep exporting out movies using the DV-NTSC compressor? Does this codec recompress and degrade the quality?
: Also I tried exporting footage uncompressed but the files became outagiously big.
: Thanks
A lot of folks are convinced that the Microsoft DV codec does a nasty color shift after several renders. I have seen several web sites that demonstrated this clearly. Third party codecs such as Canopus and Main Concept do not. Main Concept is available as a stand a lone codec for $50. Other folks seem to prefer uncompressed video for compositing. I agree 27 megabytes/sec is a bit much, but for a short scene, mabey not!
Your milage may vary#$#@


X-simon
Imported Account

Mar 11, 2001, 10:10 AM

Post #3 of 3 (593 views)
Shortcut
Re: DV - NTSC compressor lossy? [In reply to] Can't Post

 
To answer your question specifically, yes the DV codec is lossy.
It uses two compression schemes.
One is to convert the RGB signal into a 4:1:1 signal. This is similar to the component digital of professional broadcast (4:2:2) but has less color resolution.
But the killer step is that (unlike D1 which stops at the 4:2:2) it then applies a compression similar to JPeg.
Think of creating a pristine image (call it A) in photoshop, and then saving out the image as a Jpeg (call it B) at say 75% quality.
Jpeg is lossy, so next time you read B in to photoshop, it will not be quite the same image A you had originally.
Now save out this Jpeg image B with a new Jpeg compression applied on top, as image C. Image C will not quite be image B, which was not quite image A.
The more times you do this, the further away you get.
Instead of saving out uncompressed images to maintain quality, try a codec that saves them as YUV. This is like the 4:2:2 standard of digital. Also try to find a codec that marries this with a run length of other lossless compression on-top.
Without taking such measures, your video will certainly degrade.
Depending on the codec in use though you can recompress anywhere from around 5-10 times without too much loss in quality.
Hope that helps
Simon
: I do alot of editing in premiere and After effects. I edit and compress a piece of footage several times over and over. Am I loosing quality if I keep exporting out movies using the DV-NTSC compressor? Does this codec recompress and degrade the quality?
: Also I tried exporting footage uncompressed but the files became outagiously big.
: Thanks