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Home: Video University Forums: Sony DV and DVCAM Forum:
VX2100 Better Than Sony HC3?

 

 


Don R.
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Dec 18, 2006, 8:07 PM

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Now that Sony has introduced the small high definition camcorders such as the the HC3, is there any reason to continue to keep using the VX2100's?


MLiebergot
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Dec 19, 2006, 10:18 AM

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Now that Sony has introduced the small high definition camcorders such as the the HC3, is there any reason to continue to keep using the VX2100's?

There are several reasons.
The first being low light perfomance. In good light the HC3 picture will look great. Take away good ighting though and teh picture will turn to mud.
The second being better manual and audio controls. You have much greater control over picture and audio adjustments on the VX2100 than the consumer HC3.

Now keep in mind I am comparing the VX2100 to the HC3, not the FX1/Z1/FX7/V1U which are more prosumer HDV options. If you were shooting with the FX1/FX7 Z1/V1 as your primary camera. then the HC3 might be a consideration as an alter can or 2nd/3rd camera. But no way as a main camera.

Michael

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Don R.
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Dec 19, 2006, 1:19 PM

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Michael,

I shoot underwater video and am currently using the Sony PDX10's and am considering upgrading to improve quality. The HC3 has been touted by a couple of the underwater housing manufacturers but there seem to be so many degradations from the time the image enters the lens in the high definition cameras right on down to burning the DVD's that at the end using a side-by-side comparison, there may be little difference between the SD VX2100's and the HC3's.

Seems like from the opening moment, everything is done to high definition to dumb it down. Example is the immediate compression to MPEG-2 and further manipulation from there on.


If the VX2100's provide similar end use results, there would be no reason for me to dump my camcorders, underwater housing, and the editing/burning equipment. Just pickup a VX2100 and a used housing and I'd save a lot of money and hair pulling necessary to jump to high definition.

Thank you very much for your considered opinion.

Don R.


dvpro
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Dec 23, 2006, 10:50 PM

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Michael,

I shoot underwater video and am currently using the Sony PDX10's and am considering upgrading to improve quality. The HC3 has been touted by a couple of the underwater housing manufacturers but there seem to be so many degradations from the time the image enters the lens in the high definition cameras right on down to burning the DVD's that at the end using a side-by-side comparison, there may be little difference between the SD VX2100's and the HC3's.

Seems like from the opening moment, everything is done to high definition to dumb it down. Example is the immediate compression to MPEG-2 and further manipulation from there on.


If the VX2100's provide similar end use results, there would be no reason for me to dump my camcorders, underwater housing, and the editing/burning equipment. Just pickup a VX2100 and a used housing and I'd save a lot of money and hair pulling necessary to jump to high definition.

Thank you very much for your considered opinion.

Don R.



Hi Don,

Have you ever wondered why a Hollywood DVD looks SO much better than any DVD you can make with your DV source material? It's because they start with a high-resolution (film) source. Though the end result is NTSC DVD, it still looks much better because the high-end cameras and film capture more detail and better color rendition, and much of that is retained going down to DVD.

The same is true for HDV video going to DVD. Sony HDV cameras offer downconverted NTSC video-out from HDV tape, and it looks far superior to any footage shot natively with my VX-2000. Totally different look, much much greater detail and texture to everything.

Also, you mention that HDV is compressed, but so is DV with DV compression.

DV has 345,600 pixels of resolution (720x480) vs. HDV with 1,555,200 pixels (1440x1080), which is going from .3 to 1.5 megapixels. Yes, there is compression, but it is still a much more detailed image than DV even when converted down to NTSC. HDV has 4.5 times the pixels of DV.

HDV also uses 4:2:0 color vs. the 4:1:1 of DV. It's just better all around.

Consider this - you can shoot HDV now and continue burning DVDs for the time being, but when HD takes over, you will have the library of HDV footage at your disposal to hopefully make additional money with.

Now it is true that the VX series offers better low light than HDV. I don't know your business, so whether you'd see any financial benefit from going to HDV now is a determination only you can make

Good luck

Jeff Pulera
Digital Vision