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Best way to back up mini DV tape footage

 

 


dorigatti
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Jul 9, 2005, 8:18 AM

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Hi everyone,

I am new here and I have some important questions that I was hoping some of your more knowledgeable members could answer thus saving me some time and possible headaches. I was given to edit 50 mini-DV cassettes with priceless footage from India which I think I should back up first to DVD disks (asuming this is the best way to go).
I use MAC G4 platform, Toast 6.0.3 (I can get 6.1.1) and an external La Cie DVD burner (uses a built-in NEC 3520A).

1. What is the best way to proceed please?
2. Which DVD blanks to buy (- or +), brand? ?
3. Can I view the footage and burn simultaneously?
4. I usually work with PAL equipment (I live in Amsterdam, Netherlands) but the footage is on NTSC. However, I have the NTSC Camera (Canon GL2 NTSC) that was used to shoot the footage). Will this NTSC/PAL cause future problems? Especially with sound?
5. What kind of file does Toast create on the DVD?
6. Can I go back later to the DVD backup and have the material exactly as if it was on tape (so I can maybe re-use the tapes)?
7. Is it better to use iMovie or Final Cut Pro rather than Toast?
8. On DVD blanks it says 120 Min Video/4,7 GB Data. Does this mean I can fit two mini DV cassets on one DVD disk?
9. Any other tips?

I know all the above may sound simplistic, but I know from bitter experience in digital photography (my profession, see: www.dorigatti.com) that nothing can substitute for expert advice. Especially when it comes to cutting edge technology. So any help will be much appreciated. Thank you.

Carlo
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videobear
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Jul 9, 2005, 1:45 PM

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I don't use a Mac, so I can't give you specific advice on your hardware and software. But a note on DVDs...

DVDs use a different video format than DV -- they use MPEG2, and the DV video must be transcoded to MPEG2 before it goes on the DVD. That's Toast's job.
MPEG2 uses much higher compression than DV in order to fit up to 2 hours (approx). of video onto that 4.7GB disc. As a comparison, two hours of native DV will take up about 30 GB of space.

Because of the compression scheme used, MPEG2 can perform this magic trick without introducing much, if any, VISUAL degradation in the video. However, that doesn't mean that you haven't thrown away about 85% of your original data, just that the missing data isn't obvious to the eye.

MPEG2 is also a variable compression format...that is, you can select how much compression you want to apply. Two hours of video per DVD is about the maximum you can get away with without beginning to see visible compression artifacts. You can select milder levels of compression, and throw away less of the video data, at the time you transcode from DV to MPEG2. This means you will need more DVDs to hold the data, of course.

Although you can do this process in your Mac, a simpler way would be to use a stand-alone DVD recorder, which operates pretty much like a VCR. You get less control over the compression options you can select, but you gain "one button recording" simplicity.

But the BEST way to back up your valuable footage would be to dub it to fresh DV tapes, using the Firewire interface, between two DV camcorders or decks. At about $5 to $6 a tape, that's a couple hundred bucks in media, but it may be worth it, and you could always re-use the tapes afterwards.




Regards,
Doug Graham
Panda Productions


carol
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Jul 10, 2005, 9:16 AM

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Doug, I was just wondering if it would be the same as from tape to tape if you capture on the computer & copy back onto a fresh DV tape.

Carol


videobear
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Jul 11, 2005, 9:53 AM

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Using the computer as an intermediate step wouldn't hurt the video quality. So if you only have the one DV camcorder, you can certainly do that.




Regards,
Doug Graham
Panda Productions


dorigatti
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Jul 12, 2005, 8:10 PM

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The original DV footage is on NTSC. I have the camera. I also have a PAL camera and I would like to edit the footage and then sent it to tape as PAL onto my PAL camera. Is this possible?
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videobear
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Jul 13, 2005, 9:39 AM

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It's possible, but you'll need to do an NTSC-to-PAL conversion after editing. Some NLEs have this capability built-in, but most don't, even if they can handle both NTSC and PAL projects. There is conversion software on the market, notably Canopus ProCoder. However, for a single project, that might not be cost-effective. An alternative would be to edit the project and output it to DV tape in NTSC, then take that master tape to a shop that can do a quality format conversion to PAL. Then use the PAL tape to author your DVD, if that's the end product.




Regards,
Doug Graham
Panda Productions


eagle eye
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Jul 25, 2005, 1:23 PM

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It will be the same after several back and forths as long as firewire is used.