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drsanchez
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Mar 24, 2006, 7:56 PM

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To hell with all those nonsense old film effects. Film is beautiful, but wedding video clients only see it as hair and scratches and jumps. But what really sets film apart (not 8mm, but the other sizes) is that wonderfully shallow depth of field. Here's a site that gives a nice DOF 101 and how it relates to sensor size. It also shows how to build your own shallow DOF maker thingy. I'm almost convinced that shallow DOF and 24p can simulate film much more effectively than scratches and grain ever could (can you tell that these kindergarten filters bug me to no end?).

If I ever got my act together and shot some narrative movies, I'm pretty sure I'd use the DVX100A/B with one of these. Not too expensive, but you have to view the mirror image, which might screw you up during handheld tracking shots. There's also the micro35 and the p&S technic, or whatever.

Anyway, no point to this post other than to explore options for a different look.



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bbalser
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Mar 25, 2006, 12:30 PM

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There's a tutorial DVD out called Camera Command. It covers all this exactly. As a professional video trainer, I highly recommend it.

I use the DVX100a. Shooting 24p does not make it look like film. You have to shoot like a film camera, light like a film camera, plan like a real film camera. Just doing run and gun events in 24p mode doesn't give you an automatic film look.

But, with proper planning, you can get it.

I know someone who's using a plug-in effect to get the 24p film look, and I actually like it better for EVENTS than I do shooting native 24p.


MSDowney
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Mar 25, 2006, 12:38 PM

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There's a tutorial DVD out called Camera Command. It covers all this exactly. As a professional video trainer, I highly recommend it.

So do I :) http://www.cameracommand.com/ Mike

Thomson/GrassValley


drsanchez
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Mar 25, 2006, 3:18 PM

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My fault for not stating clearly the point of my post. The shooting like a film camera, light like a film camera, plan.... was a given. I didn't mean to imply that 24p is all it takes to simulate film. But over on the wedding forum it seems a lot of clients are in love with that damned 'old film look,' which is just as much a gimmick as flying transitions and star wipes, and I was just mentioning that there's more to simulating film than putting hair in your projector. To me video is just too crisp, and that extra fraction of a second that the shutter is open in 24p (compared to 60i) softens the picture just enough to be beautiful in its own way. Couple that with a shallow depth of field and you're already infinitely more pleasing than dust and scratches.

Good tip on the tutorials, I'll check them out.


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There's a tutorial DVD out called Camera Command. It covers all this exactly. As a professional video trainer, I highly recommend it.

I use the DVX100a. Shooting 24p does not make it look like film. You have to shoot like a film camera, light like a film camera, plan like a real film camera. Just doing run and gun events in 24p mode doesn't give you an automatic film look.

But, with proper planning, you can get it.

I know someone who's using a plug-in effect to get the 24p film look, and I actually like it better for EVENTS than I do shooting native 24p.




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Case
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Mar 26, 2006, 4:59 PM

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The optical physics that govern depth of field (dof) is the same, whether you are dealing with film or video. Understand aperature and focal length and you understand dof.


Case Marsh
Marsh Video Productions
Easton, Maryland
"The Land of Pleasant Living"
www.marshvideo.com


drsanchez
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Mar 27, 2006, 4:40 PM

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I sent you a PM.


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The optical physics that govern depth of field (dof) is the same, whether you are dealing with film or video. Understand aperature and focal length and you understand dof.




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