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External drives to defrag?

 

 


AndrewMSV
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Feb 17, 2006, 6:43 AM

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Windows won't let me defrag my two external USB 2.0 drives. (both labeled "Lacie" but one is Maxtor and the other Seagate.)
They are both in FAT32 mode... I prefer NTFS, of course, but I might have to hot-swap with Mac editors down the line.

Anyway, any ideas why Disk Defragmenter shouts "Could not defrag drive" at me?
Thanks.

Cheers!


Andrew
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wilebill
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Feb 17, 2006, 11:43 AM

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Windows won't let me defrag my two external USB 2.0 drives. (both labeled "Lacie" but one is Maxtor and the other Seagate.)
They are both in FAT32 mode... I prefer NTFS, of course, but I might have to hot-swap with Mac editors down the line.

Anyway, any ideas why Disk Defragmenter shouts "Could not defrag drive" at me?

Maybe because Windows defrag sucks? Wink

I don't know, I never use it. I use a program called O & O Defrag. It has a lot more options than Windows, is better, and is faster. I've defragged my external USB drives with it, but not very often since I just use them for storage.

Regards,
Billy Horton
Video Image Productions

Studio & On-Location Video Production
2 NewTek VT[4.6] Editing Suites


AndrewMSV
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Feb 17, 2006, 2:06 PM

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Re: [wilebill] External drives to defrag? [In reply to] Can't Post

is that freeware or do i have to buy it?
Do you have a link?

let me know!
thanks for the help.

Cheers!


Andrew
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sf chapter, vu california crew
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wilebill
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Feb 17, 2006, 2:59 PM

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You have to buy it. I feel like, and am backed up by numerous people, that properly defragged drives are important for reliable playback on real-time systems, so it's one of those things that's worth paying for.

The website is http://www.oo-software.com/en/index.html.

There's several things I hate about Windows defrag, foremost is that when it defrags it leaves chunks of space between files, so that when you next record big video files to your drive, it guarantees that they'll be fragmented. With O&O, it will take out all those chunks of space and leave one big open area for subsequent files to go to. You can also set up timed defrags so that it'll do them once a week or whenever, and when it's through it will shut down your computer for you. You can defrag several drives simultaneously to save time, and do different types of file arranging during the defrag process.

All in all I'm well pleased with it.

Regards,
Billy Horton
Video Image Productions

Studio & On-Location Video Production
2 NewTek VT[4.6] Editing Suites


YoWoViPr
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Feb 17, 2006, 9:47 PM

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Re: [wilebill] External drives to defrag? [In reply to] Can't Post

Know of anything for a Mac?


bbalser
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Feb 19, 2006, 1:14 PM

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Having almost 20 years of IT engineering behind me, let me point out that defragging is old, out dated technology. Today's drives are much more self-maintining than before and defragging is pretty much a waste of time. I'm running two external FW drives, and two internal SATA drives, ranging from 250GB to 500GB. I haven't defraged any of them in over two years and have never had a system slow down or single problem. Never have had to re-format anything. Just regular MacJanitor, DiskWarrior, and Disk Utilites every other week. No problems.

If your drives are recent, within the last few short years, defraging is a thing of the past.


wilebill
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Feb 19, 2006, 6:49 PM

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Having almost 20 years of IT engineering behind me, let me point out that defragging is old, out dated technology. Today's drives are much more self-maintining than before and defragging is pretty much a waste of time. I'm running two external FW drives, and two internal SATA drives, ranging from 250GB to 500GB. I haven't defraged any of them in over two years and have never had a system slow down or single problem. Never have had to re-format anything. Just regular MacJanitor, DiskWarrior, and Disk Utilites every other week. No problems.

If your drives are recent, within the last few short years, defraging is a thing of the past.


I'll have to disagree with that. I think a lot has to do with the NLE you use. With my VT, which is real time, if you put several layers of video on the timeline and play them all simultaneously, if the system has to look all over the drive for pieces of files to play, it WILL cause stuttering in the playback. If, however, the files are contiguous chunks, there is less seeking for files and you can have more layers of video that will play back without stutters. This, of course, depends on the complexity of the edit - it's very capable of playing two or three layers even with a badly fragged disc, but as it gets more complex the effects of fragmented files becomes more apparent.

I can see where your statement would be true for systems that render, since it will only render as fast as it can find the files, and as fast as the computer's specs will allow. But to make a blanket statement that no one should ever have to defrag is misleading at best.

I may be obsessive about it, but I run fast computers with lots of memory and fast SCSI drives with my video files on them. I defrag my drives once a week. When I have a client looking over my shoulder, I want to be assured that when I hit the VT's play button, I don't have to give them any excuse as to why the video won't play back properly. So far in 3 years of using the VT I haven't had to do that. I just look at it like a tune-up, I like to keep things in perfect working order.

Regards,
Billy Horton
Video Image Productions

Studio & On-Location Video Production
2 NewTek VT[4.6] Editing Suites


ssvp
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Feb 24, 2006, 11:16 PM

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Re: [wilebill] External drives to defrag? [In reply to] Can't Post

I live by Perfect Disk excellent defragger.. Runs a nightly schedule.. Performs a SmartPlacement Defrag, Online Defrag or Off-Line Defrag. Not to mention you can schedule the defrags. Also will defrag all drives at once or in series..

I would disagree with the defragging statement, generally NTFS will do a excellent job maintaining it's health in a standard operating office environment.. But when you doing realtime editing and those files are large and fitting in all over the drive.. You'll quickly see a performance hit.. At the same time Adobe, Matrox, Canopus, etc.. All list defragging as a must do to maintain performance..


(This post was edited by ssvp on Feb 24, 2006, 11:18 PM)