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Helicopter setup - Help!

 

 


st3v1e
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Feb 17, 2006, 2:50 AM

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Hi guys,
I wonder if anyone can help me with this?
I've been asked to install a 4 camera setup in a Rescue Helicopter (AS350).
Currently the company have their own Analogue/Composite camera's setup on the aircraft, but want me to provide & install equipment whereby they can switch between all four camera's in-flight and on the ground - the output of which (IEEE1394 ?) will go into either a DVD recorder mounted in the Helicopter or some kind of Hard Drive storage device (without the use of a Computer).
The idea is to capture footage for their archives, insurance purposes, and so that they can impress their sponsors with "RAW" footage of the rescues (maybe some censorship is required for this eh?).

Anyone help with the kit required?

Many thanks,
Steve


(This post was edited by st3v1e on Feb 18, 2006, 4:34 PM)


AndrewMSV
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Feb 17, 2006, 6:40 AM

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Steve,

A friend of mine used a kit similar to THIS ONE on a short music video shoot once. He rented it for the day and it didn't cost too much.

I don't know what cameras you're planning to use and how heavy they are, but you might be able to mount four of these somewhere on the chopper assuming that the pilot doesn't pull high g's.

As far as harddrive capturing, you're best bet is a laptop with a live switching gear. I don't think you can switch between cameras computerless. I would just put a DTE drive on each cam and edit in post.

This sounds like an exciting project. Let us know how it goes!
Cheers!


Andrew
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st3v1e
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Feb 17, 2006, 4:20 PM

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Andrew,
many thanks for the reply.
The company I'm contracting to actually has four composite camera's already mounted to the Helicopter . . . . . but thanks for the link . . . . a great site to check for future projects.
My main query, is how I'm going to be able to switch the 4 camera's into a DVD Recorder - something like a Pioneer PRV-LX1 etc. - We really need an analogue to digital switcher.
They don't have the time or ability to edit after a trip, so the requirement is for a way to capture footage so that it can be taken from the helicopter as soon as it lands, and stored in archive or taken to the Police etc. - Hence the DVD Recorder onboard.

Thanks,
Any further comments appreciated . . . . as I just can't find this A to D switcher.

Steve


wilebill
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Feb 17, 2006, 6:56 PM

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Why do you need an A to D convertor? Just go analog into the recorder.

There are tons of vertical interval switchers that would work for this. Think surveillance equipment. Most of those systems are set up for 4 cameras.

Regards,
Billy Horton
Video Image Productions

Studio & On-Location Video Production
2 NewTek VT[4.6] Editing Suites


faqvideo
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Feb 18, 2006, 1:59 PM

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Check if Panasonic MX-30 digital mixer will solve the problem.
It's been a working horse for so many budget projects.

FAQ Video


st3v1e
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Feb 18, 2006, 4:33 PM

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Thanks guys,
but money isn't the main issue (for a change), we're trying to get the highest quality from the four Analogue camera's - directly onto a DVD Recorder, hence the A to D Switcher.
The client used all analogue gear before, into a VHS machine - they remarked that the quality was "Not very good" - I checked it to find that the helicopter's Electrical gear was a factor in the video noise produced on the tapes - so for the new installation, I'm trying to alleviate as much analogue gear as possible, and concentrate on increasing the "screening" of all Video Equipment - including enclosing the Switcher/DVD Recorder etc, in it's own screened flight case - with it's own cooling.

I'm amazed that despite my attempts to find one - currently there appears to be no-one manufacturing an analogue to digital 4x1 switcher - could there be a market for such a beast???

Thanks for your comments to date.
Kind regards,
Steve


wilebill
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Feb 20, 2006, 8:15 PM

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Thanks guys,
but money isn't the main issue (for a change), we're trying to get the highest quality from the four Analogue camera's - directly onto a DVD Recorder, hence the A to D Switcher.


It's a common mistake to think that "digital=good, analog=bad". This is not always true. Up until very recently (as you've found out) every video switcher in existence was analog. Most still are. Camera signals still start off as analog and only get converted to digital when it passes through the DV codec chip. Even then most cameras' video outputs are in front of the codec, passing an analog signal through.

There are plenty of DVD recorders which have analog inputs. Take a look at the Sony DVDirect. As a test, record to one of them through the firewire input, then record the same material to it via the analog. Do a blind viewing with 10 people comparing the 2 and I bet you won't get more than a 6/4 vote either way. I did it and couldn't tell the difference between the 2.



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The client used all analogue gear before, into a VHS machine - they remarked that the quality was "Not very good" - I checked it to find that the helicopter's Electrical gear was a factor in the video noise produced on the tapes - so for the new installation, I'm trying to alleviate as much analogue gear as possible, and concentrate on increasing the "screening" of all Video Equipment - including enclosing the Switcher/DVD Recorder etc, in it's own screened flight case - with it's own cooling.


I'm not surprised they didn't think VHS was very good - neither does the rest of the world. But that's because of a VHS limitation, not an analog limitation. You also run the possiblity of introducing all sorts of artifacts by going from analog CCD to DV codec chip, to A to D converter and then through an MPEG codec. Why not go straight analog from the CCD and let the final and only A to D conversion be the DVD recorder's codec?



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I'm amazed that despite my attempts to find one - currently there appears to be no-one manufacturing an analogue to digital 4x1 switcher - could there be a market for such a beast???


I think it's because it's mostly pointless. The best way to preserve a good video signal is to leave it unaltered as long as possible, and to alter it the fewest times possible.

Regards,
Billy Horton
Video Image Productions

Studio & On-Location Video Production
2 NewTek VT[4.6] Editing Suites


AndrewMSV
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Feb 21, 2006, 1:24 PM

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Have you tried or looked at the Canopus hardware?
They have great encoding algorithms and maybe one of these devices will help you...
ADVC500
ADVC1000

These are not live switchboards but they are analog to DV converters that you can potentially hook up to a switchboard and output to DVD.

Or you can output straight to MPEG for DVD encoding with this:
MPEGProEMR

Good luck!
Cheers!


Andrew
m o r n i n g__s t a r__v i d e o g r a p h y
sf chapter, vu california crew
I think we should turn that whole region into one shiny piece of radioactive glass. - CartoonChris




st3v1e
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Feb 21, 2006, 2:00 PM

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Yes . . . . I have an ADVC 100, and was thinking of utilising this . . . . but thanks for the info anyway!

Steve