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spicerack
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Mar 4, 2006, 7:07 PM

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What is the best editing software for the money? I have the panasonic dvx100b.What all do i need to to a complete job(Weddings,special shoots,ect)

Thanks


Edward
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Mar 4, 2006, 8:15 PM

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Vegas. Especially if you're going to be using the camera with 24p.
Edward Troxel
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bbalser
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Mar 4, 2006, 8:30 PM

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FCP handles my DVX100a 24p footage great. But I find 24p really bad to use for weddings. It causes movement to be more jerky.


spicerack
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Mar 4, 2006, 9:36 PM

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Im assuming vegas is windows based,since i use xp pro.Does vegas have everything i need? or do i need other programs as well.Currently i have PS 7.0,elements 4.0 sonic dvdit 5.2,roxio 7 and 8.0.I also plan on doing Still photography as well using my Nikon d200.


spicerack
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Mar 4, 2006, 9:37 PM

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Isnt FCP apple based? or can it be used on windows as well?


Edward
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Mar 5, 2006, 5:44 AM

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Im assuming vegas is windows based,since i use xp pro.Does vegas have everything i need? or do i need other programs as well.Currently i have PS 7.0,elements 4.0 sonic dvdit 5.2,roxio 7 and 8.0.I also plan on doing Still photography as well using my Nikon d200.



"Vegas + DVD" has eveything you need to do a complete project from capture to DVD. You may want a separate photo editing program as well, though. I just think it has great "bang for the buck".
Edward Troxel
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ppatton
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Mar 5, 2006, 7:49 AM

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Not sure if vegas does a whole lot with the audio (as I use premiere) so you may want to get sound forge w/noise reduction. Adobe Premiere Also works well for what you want, and then there is also after effects for motion graphics and building photo montages, but you can do some of that in vid editor.

paul


Edward
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Not sure if vegas does a whole lot with the audio (as I use premiere) so you may want to get sound forge w/noise reduction.



Considering that Vegas 1 was an audio only program, it handles audio quite well! Wink

However, there are a few advantages to using Sound Forge and Noise Reduction is also a welcome add-on that works in BOTH programs (Vegas and Sound Forge).
Edward Troxel
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spicerack
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Mar 5, 2006, 3:28 PM

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What about sonicfire pro 3.0?

http://www.smartsound.com/index.html


tgacga
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Mar 5, 2006, 7:56 PM

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Look into:


Avid Xpress DV
Vegas + DVD
Adobe Premier

You can download Avid Free DV from the Avid website and try it on PC. The Free version won't do 24p (i think) so you'll have to try it out with normal dv footage but you'll be able to see how it works.

Xpressdv is 495 and comes with squeeze and dvdit...multi-cam editing...has color correction (something most beginning wedding videographers should have) will do 24p. I started with it...I recommend it.
www.freelancevideo.net

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spicerack
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Mar 5, 2006, 9:38 PM

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So are you recommending all of these - Avid Xpress DV
Vegas + DVD
Adobe Premier or just 1 of these?


tgacga
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Mar 6, 2006, 7:28 AM

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I think your final choice should be ONE of these...If I had to recommend ONE if would be the Avid...I have used them all. I think you ruled out Final cut by your PC/operating system, right? My second choice would be Vegas...
www.freelancevideo.net


spicerack
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Mar 6, 2006, 2:10 PM

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If i go with avid ,what video card should be used?will a gforce 7800 work or do i need the quadro fx series cards?Huge diff in price here - $2000 for the quadros and $300 for the gforce.


videobear
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Mar 6, 2006, 3:13 PM

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I'm no Avid expert, but I notice that all of the "qualified" systems on their site use a Quadro FX display card.

(I also notice that their website is nearly illegible at my (very common) screen resolution of 1024x768. You'd think a company that specializes in media tools could do a better job on their website. Sheesh.)

Go Vegas, Liquid Edition, or Premiere Pro, or FCP if you like Macs. I don't see an advantage to Avid unless you have aspirations to work as an editor in a high end corporate or broadcast post facility.

But in the end, it's not what I, or anyone else, recommends...it's the editing system that feels the best to YOU that is the right one for you. Get demo versions, drop in on friends, get dealer hands-on demos, whatever it takes to find out which system works the way YOU think and work.




Regards,
Doug Graham
Panda Productions


spicerack
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Mar 6, 2006, 3:47 PM

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Thanks Doug for the info-it gets confusing for a person just starting out for what equip to purchase(whats really nessassary) thats why ive been asking so many questions.If i were to go with vegas would a reg video card suffice?such as the 7800 GT.Iam trying to keep costs down whever i can,i still have to purchase my wireless mics,my computer for all of this editing as well as a stand alone duplicating dvd like the one Elite video has the Sd-50 1-6 and im sure cables ect.Not sure if i need a mixer.

As you can see i need all the info and good advice i can getSmile


Thanks...............Kim Harnagel


videobear
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Mar 6, 2006, 9:04 PM

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You should look up RustyB's old post with the Most Extensive Equipment List In the World. Smile

Here's my current setup (with a couple of near-future planned upgrades included). Maybe it'll give you an idea or two.

Field Production: Sony HVR A1U, Sony Z1U camcorders. For each camera: tripod, on-camera light and battery belt, case, basic filter set, spare batteries, head cleaning tape, headphones. Monopod. Two wireless microphones, plug-on wireless transmitter for handheld mics, minidisc recorder, 3 iRiver MP3 recorders, and associated lapel microphones. Gear bag with spare batteries, assorted connectors and adapters, gaffers tape, small toolkit. 2 FRS walkie-talkies and headsets for crew communication. For corporate video and other "staged" shoots, add a lighting kit (either purchased or rented for the occasion). Folding dolly to lug it all around.

Studio gear:
Computer: Homebuilt PC, Athlon fx64 4800+ dual core, 2 GB RAM, EGA Nvidia 7800GT display card, 300x4 GB video storage, 200 GBx2 program and data storage, 2 Pioneer A108 DVD burners. (You don't need that much computing power for editing DV; I was upgrading to be ready for HDV work. My previous computer was a Pentium IV 2.53 GHz, 1 GB RAM machine, 128 MB ATI Radeon 9700 Pro display adapter, 300 GB A/V storage. Worked just fine.)

Software: Windows XP Pro, Vegas, DVD Architect, Pinnacle Liquid Edition, Boris Graffiti Ltd, Title Deko Pro, Adobe Encore, Photoshop, Corel Draw, Painter, Sound Forge, Acid, SmartSound, LightWave, Ulead Cool3D, spreadsheet and word processing for invoices, contracts, letters, etc. (You don't need all that software -- just an editing program, a DVD authoring program, and a paint program.)

I/O: Contour Shuttle Pro controller, Wacom Intuos II 6x8 tablet (but you can get by with just a keyboard and a mouse). 1100 watt-hour UPS/power conditioner.

(Note: if you do a lot of work, and need to turn it out fast, you might want a real time system, one that relieves you of some or all of the need to render the final product. Systems are available for both DV and HDV, from companies like Canopus, Matrox, Avid, and NewTek. These can be very slick and nice to have, but these days, I think most of us are using one of the slightly slower, but less expensive, software-only systems).

3 VHS deck dub rack with distribution amplifier, proc amp, and video monitor. The dub rack is slowly dying as decks give up the ghost.

Dolby 5.1 sound system: M-Audio Delta 1010LT sound card, LX4 powered subwoofer and satellite speakers. (You can do just fine with the AC97 audio on your motherboard, and a less expensive stereo speaker system. Cambridge Soundworks has some nice offerings.)

Dual Dell 24" widescreen monitors (you can start with one monitor, though). NTSC video monitor.

Sony Japanese-market WV-DR-7 dual DV/SVHS deck, Sony EV-S7000 Hi8 deck (for legacy tapes). Turntable (for when I finally get around to putting our LP collection on CD).

Epson scanner, Epson R-300 printer for printable DVD labeling.

dual 8 movie projector, for film transfer work.

Cables. Lots and lots and lots of cables. Unsure I recently upgraded my studio (still in work, actually). I simplified the audio setup considerably; the 1010LT card (plus software applications) now does the work that used to be handled by a Mackie mixer, a patch panel, a graphic equalizer, and an Alesis compressor/limiter. I must've pulled out 300 feet of audio cabling! I'm sure that there are times I'll miss the simplicity of hardware (just reach out and turn a knob), but with more and more tasks going digital, a lot of analog equipment didn't seem to make sense for a small home studio like mine. Even so, budget several hundred dollars for cables. They add up.

If you do a lot of DVD duplication, a DVD tower or a robot duplicator like the Primera Bravo series is a good addition. If you provide projection of Love Story or photo montages at the reception, add a projector, screen, and audio system. If you do Same Day Edits, add a fast laptop, an external Firewire drive, and/or a couple of Direct to Disk recorders for your cameras. If you also offer photography services, see the Photography forum...it's a whole 'nother pile o'gear!

Some tips:
1. Start small, but buy quality. Rent or borrow if you need extra gear, but when you do buy something, get good quality. A cheap tripod or light will be around for you to cuss at for fifteen years. Cameras don't stay around so long, but you still cuss at ones that limit you or that are unreliable.
2. Find what's right for you. There is no one "best" camera or editing system. Try out several before buying one; the one that feels right for you is the one you should get.
3. Make sure each purchase is justified from a business perspective, and don't go deeply into debt. Bootstrapping your business takes longer, but it is much safer, and you'll sleep sounder at night. A husband or wife with a second income is a big help, but a "day job" of your own will also provide a financial safety net.
4. Standardize wherever you can. Duplicate cameras allow you to swap batteries and other accessories. Matching monopod and tripod mounting plates speed changeovers.
5. Reserve some of your budget to invest in yourself. Continuing education can be worth a lot more to the bottom line than the latest piece of gear.




Regards,
Doug Graham
Panda Productions


spicerack
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Mar 6, 2006, 11:31 PM

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This may seem redundent but after reading your equip list im pretty scaredUnsure now i know i dont need all the stuff you have as i am just doing this for extra money and on weekends only,mayby in time i can expand.

for now tho my budget will be very limited(appox $5000.00) which i still have to purchase a computer to handle my needs,i have of course my current comp which i will keep as is.i will list what i have so far and what i possibly will need.please jump in with suggestions,critisizms,ect.
What i have:
Camcorder & accessorys:Panasonic dvx100b with telephoto and wide angle lens,3 multi colored filters.lens cleaning kit,2 6 hr batterys,Vanguard photo/video tripod,2 way digital tape rewinder,digital power inverter,Dv tapes. epson 3170 perfection scanner.
Hp 7550 photosmart printer. For photographs:nikon d200 dslr with af-5dx vr zoom 18-200 f/3.5~5.6g if-ed.sb-600 speedlight,tamron spaf11-18 mm f/4.5-5.6 wide angle lens,quantray qsx 7001 dx digital tripod.

Software:Photoshop 7.0,roxio 7.0 & 8.0 easy media creator,sonic dvdit 5.2,sonic my dvd,windows photo story 3.0,adobe photoshop 2.0 & 4.0 elements,muvee ap4.1,macromedia director mx 2004 ver 10,vegas 4.0

what i dont have:

cables,wirless mics,shotgun mic,more editing software,Computer,standalone dvd burner sys,better printer,moniter.

Jump in as to the equip i need -name brand best bang for the buck,just keep in mind i have only shot 1 wedding video(with a jvc minicam)for my sister(good learning exp)would do over and better now that ive seen the posts from VU and purchased Professional wedding videography dvd from VU and the book.


(This post was edited by spicerack on Mar 7, 2006, 2:26 AM)


AndrewMSV
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Mar 7, 2006, 12:27 AM

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Just to mix things up a little...
Don't forget about Canopus' Edius Pro3.

That's one of the best realtime editing systems around and it's so incredibly stable.

www.Canopus.com

Cheers!


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videobear
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Mar 7, 2006, 7:26 AM

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You're doing just fine. Don't be scared by my equipment list. I've been doing this for over ten years, and like most of us, I've accumulated a lotta stuff.

For pro work, I'd ditch the Vanguard tripod and get something better...maybe one of the Bogen MeDve units. Whatever you get should be tall enough to see over standing wedding guests, have a fluid head, and a leveling ball would be a desirable feature.

Get some sort of on-camera light. Even a small light can improve the look of a dark reception.

I'd also eBay the rewinder. Nobody makes a DV rewinder that isn't hazardous to your tapes.

A second camera (and associated accessories) should be high on your purchase list. Not only does it give your videos a second point of view, and let you cover camera moves with shots from the other unit, but it serves as a backup in case your primary camera fails (which it may do without telling you about it). The Panasonic DVC60 is a good companion for your 100B, and Panasonic is offering rebates right now.

Any computer with the following specs can edit DV: Pentium IV, 2.0 GHz or better. 1 GB RAM or better. 128 MB video display card, either AGP or PCI-E (the latest gamer's powerhouse isn't needed). A second hard drive with at least 100 GB of capacity (more is better, of course). A Firewire port. A DVD burner. You can get all of that off the shelf for under $1,000 at your local Best Buy (though you'll have to add the second hard drive, and maybe a stick of RAM, yourself).

Download a free demo version of Sony Vegas and play with it. If you like it, it's one powerful and popular choice in editing software. As this thread has shown, there are also plenty of alternatives if it's not right for you.

Places where you can economize: Instead of a $500 wireless mic, try a $100 iRiver recorder and a $30 lapel mic from Azden or Giant Squid (Look for the iFP700 or 800 series models on eBay, and stay clear of the newer T-10 and -30 series). Skip the shotgun mic for now. A 21" CRT monitor is big, heavy...and cheaper than dirt, with everyone clamoring for LCD flat panels. But it works just great. Skip the standalone DVD duplication rack. You won't need one unless you're doing dance recitals and burning fifty copies or more at a shot.

You can be ready to roll with a second computer and a second camera within your $5,000 budget, and change left over.




Regards,
Doug Graham
Panda Productions


tgacga
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Mar 7, 2006, 9:04 AM

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I'm using a gforce 6600 in one machine and a 5600 in the other... the most important thing is that its Nvidia for the Open GL. For the money, I'm not sure why people are so against Avid XpressDV. Its a great program...its fast..you can't get better media management anywhere. and It comes with the other programs you'll need to create DVDs. Vegas is good too. My favorite thing is the plug-ins...you can go into after effects, Boris and others without ever leaving the Avid...I haven't used Vegas since like version 3 but I remember it seeming very consumer. I believe its probably taken some steps forward since Sony bought them but I still prefer the Avid to anything else...If you go to the Avid site you find the FreeDV version, download it and play with it...if you find the interface not to your liking, keep looking. JUst remember, I have given you advice based on what I have liked about the programs I have used...do not take any advice AGAINST any program. Some peole are just "anti-"certain things. Avid is one of those things. I haven't said don't buy this or that...make sure you do your homework with an open mind.

Hey I just found this so I added it...you might want to look at the Liquid offer going on right now...here's a link. Prettry good DEal!

http://www.avid.com/promos/liquidRebate/index.asp
www.freelancevideo.net

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videobear
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Sorry, tga...I have no right to diss Avid, since I've never used their product. From where I stand, it looks overpriced to me, but it has to have SOMETHING going for it, or it wouldn't be used by so many high end facilities.

My advice stands: try out several systems, and buy the one that suits YOU best...not the one that suits me, or anyone else. For every program out there, there are those who love it and those who hate it. You have to try them and see for yourself.




Regards,
Doug Graham
Panda Productions


Case
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I'd recommend Canopus Edius 3 Pro, because it is relatively easy to learn, very powerful, gives lots of realtime performance, has lots of features, etc., etc. I use it exclusively in a low-six figures business for wedding-event (my wife's specialty) and corporate (my part of the busienss).

However, with Canopus recently acquired by Thomson-Green Valley, who knows what the future of Edius is? Nobody who knows anything is talking. If you cannot afford to risk a few hundred dollars on a product that may not be supported very far into the future, Edius will not be for you.

At one time or another, I've looked at and tried out several NLE programs including AP, Vegas, and Edition. In each case, I was given retail versions of the software and asked to give them a try. (Trying to lure me into switching, I guess.) I liked Vegas and Pinnacle Edition (Now Avid Liquid). However, I have never been keen on Adobe products, and my problem with Vegas and Edition at the time I tried them was that I was unwilling to give up the super realtime performance of the Canopus product. For my money, I have been very happy that I use Edius.


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carol
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Doug, I have to agree with you if you are going on price. It's very high end if if you are just doing weddng video, I don't think it's the best bang for your buck. My nephew just finished a course in the Gov. and if you are not editing for professional TV or such their are more economical ways to go.

Carol


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Thanks

It sounds like you're starting out (so am I) but I wanted to caution you when reading these replies. Stating approval of a piece of software is not the same as stating a preference. I like Liquid, but I don't necessarily ~prefer~ it over others for the simple reason that I haven't given others a fair run. And to give it a fair run, one needs to keep an open mind to the different ways that each system works and to work with it enough to actually tell the difference. This takes much much more than opening up the demo version and tinkering around a bit; I'd say you need several hours with the manual to even scratch the surface. If I were to try editing with Vegas right now and gave it about 30 minutes of evaluation, I would probably conclude that it's too confusing. But, as dozens of people will tell you on these boards, you gotta stick with it for a while before you recognize its strengths.

So, here's my take on non-linear editors, given that I know Adobe Premiere not too well and Avid Liquid not too well :)
I think you should evaluate NLEs with three criteria: 1) What can it do? (corollary: What can it do for the money?) 2) How easy is it to do it? and 3) How much room is there to grow?

iMovie and MovieMaker give you tons for the money (in fact, benefit to cost is near inifinite) and are easy to use, but don't give you much room to grow. High-end Avid systems give you ultimate freedom and are limited only by your imagination, but you pay out the arse for it. Then, there are approximately 900 editors in the middle; they all do almost everything, they all give you lots of room to grow, and (in the big picture) they're all relatively cheap. Because face it, over a year or two of editing, saving a couple hundred bucks doesn't really matter. But there is one other thing you should consider: do you plan to stick with event work where you will finish on DVD in your home office? Or do you plan to ever do any corporate work where you might have your raw footage cut somewhere else (on-line) using an edit decision list you created off-line? If it's the former, pick one and spend some serious time with the manual and training DVDs--it will save you tons of time in the long run. If it's the latter, you have two choices: Avid or Final Cut Pro.



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ssvp
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It sounds like you're starting out (so am I) but I wanted to caution you when reading these replies. Stating approval of a piece of software is not the same as stating a preference. I like Liquid, but I don't necessarily ~prefer~ it over others for the simple reason that I haven't given others a fair run.

Hit the nail on the head with that comment.. So true.. Personally I have bedded down with Adobe for the last 3 years, just preference now and due mainly because I used it before and needed a full workflow and the price was decent. I've used Avid, Liquid, Vegas and they all have their own great features. I couldn't say anything bad about any of them. However for our workflows and jobs we use Premiere, AE, Audition, Encore, Acrobat, PS CS2, Illustrator.. So it was an obvious choice for us to upgrade to Production Studio Premium.. well we're in for awhile now with all that money..:) Kidding aside, I like the workflow and the apps pretty much all work the same way and so it's become a personal preference and considering the interfaces for all those apps work and look the same is just another bonus. Since I am Adobe supporter I could spill text upon text why it's better, but really all I would be doing is telling you what is does and since I don't know the total feature sets of the others I really couldn't say it's better.. If you have the time to learn new NLE's and I mean really sit down with them and do a project with them it will be hard to switch once you start to rely on one I personally find it hard to even think about switching especially with deadlines. I suppose when I find that I need to deliver something in some way or fashion and I can't make it happen with our adobe apps or compression and DVD apps then that would probably be a good idea to re-evaulate your hardware and software needs. Your best bet is too research 3 or 4 you are looking at.. Then consider the following much like drsanchez said.. Price, System Requirements, Formats, TYPE OF VIDEO WORK. One NLE may be cheaper but might require you to build a super fast ubber system so you really have to look at your total cost of ownership and don't forget to count the time spent in learning and understanding your NLE. One of the best ways is to download trial versions, Premiere Pro 2 trial available and I know Avid has Express DV for free.. I'm sure the others have trials as well.. But once you choose one stick with it for awhile, because I can tell you after 4 years of Adobe I am still finding new short cuts and tricks with their family of Video Apps.. :) For whats it's worth.. (Check Spelling or Post Reply? One Click or Two... lazy.. Post)

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