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Calomay
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Apr 3, 2008, 3:33 PM

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For those of you shooting in HDV, how are you delivering your raw footage to your clients?

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JC/DV
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Apr 3, 2008, 4:37 PM

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For those of you shooting in HDV, how are you delivering your raw footage to your clients?

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Only 1 person has bought that. I gave them the HDV tapes and told them (and they read it in the contract when they inquired about it) that they MUST have a HDV camera capable to playback the tape. Funny thing is that they had a 10 year old DVD player hooked up to a nice 50" Sony XBR TV... no, they don't have a HDV camcorder. I don't care really....... they knew, they bought for whatever reason though.

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leethomas1225
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Apr 3, 2008, 4:55 PM

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Good question... I currently include raw footage as part of the package but have been down-converting so far, not editing in HDV. Once I get a new system and edit in HDV, I'm not sure how I'll handle it. I guess either in SD if it doesn't take forever to convert, or maybe just give them the tapes (although I'm not crazy about that idea at all...). But it would be easier....

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Daniel
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Apr 3, 2008, 5:04 PM

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16:9 SD.

"Happiness is beating your good friend by one stroke with a birdie on the 18th hole" Me

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Apr 3, 2008, 9:11 PM

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SD on a DVD, baby!
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2ndMile
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Apr 3, 2008, 10:23 PM

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SD on a DVD, baby!

You encode all the raw footage for DVD and then take the time to create and burn the DVDs?

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Apr 3, 2008, 11:38 PM

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Nothing fancy...just transferring the raw footage to DVD. Not sure what you are asking....
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2ndMile
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Apr 4, 2008, 12:36 PM

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I am just surprised you take the time (or more like CPU cycles) to render all the HDV footage to DV and then transcode for the DVDs and then the burning. It seems like a lot of work.

I would just give them the tapes and be done with it.

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Apr 4, 2008, 12:42 PM

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Ahhh....I see! Well, the only package of ours that comes with raw footage is our SDE Only packages, so there isn't like hours and hours of footage. For instance I have one I'm finishing up right now and with the super long Catholic ceremony (three cams quickly multi-cam'd into one timeline), raw footage and the SDE, there is a total of just under 2 hours of footage. I render it to mpeg overnight then burn the DVD in the morning. Not a big deal. If I did that for every wedding where we had 5 hours of footage, that would be a whole different ball game! :)
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Kenneth
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Apr 4, 2008, 2:19 PM

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I give them the captured footage on DVDs. It usually comes out to around 12 to 18 DVDs. I charge $50 for it. I don't encode it for DVD because I think it takes too long and I din't give them the tapes because the tapes can be reused and that's probably the cruelest thing you can do to couple. When will they ever go out and by a $1500 HD camera?

By giving them the Quicktime files on DVD thay can out them on their computer and get some cheap software from Pinnacle for $50 to play them.

But I do make them fully aware that the files are not playable in a DVD player.
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RT Steele
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Apr 4, 2008, 3:19 PM

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I din't give them the tapes because the tapes can be reused and that's probably the cruelest thing you can do to couple.

Why would giving the couple tapes be considered "cruel"? That media will probably outlive those DVD's by 100 years.

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Kenneth
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Apr 4, 2008, 3:27 PM

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because by giving it to them already captured they can get some software and start really watching it. The tapes will require a HD camcorder and he last time I looked they were $1400. The tapes are also more expensive so you have to charge them more, plus then you have to go out and buy yourself some more tapes. Wy would you want to do that? The tapes can be used many times without problems.
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RT Steele
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Apr 4, 2008, 6:26 PM

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because by giving it to them already captured they can get some software and start really watching it.

So you dump it all on a dozen disks for that? What the heck do you still have on those tapes that's worth watching? Selling garbage to clients for their viewing pleasure is the real cruelty here. Laugh

I guess everybody's assuming people only want their raw footage to watch it. Since most of what I shoot goes into the final DVD I discourage folks from buying it for that reason. Now... if they want to try their hand at editing, that's different - they'll need the footage. Or... they just might want to archive the tapes for posterity because nobody really knows how long DVD's will last. Another good reason because I won't save their tapes for them.

That's why I say just skip the "dumping" process and sell them the tapes. They can use them to edit or just chuck 'em in the cookie jar for safe keeping. And HD consumer cams are not $1400 anymore. It won't be long before everybody can afford one.

Even me. Sly

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Kenneth
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Apr 4, 2008, 6:36 PM

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First of all the tapes can be reused. I reuse my tapes as soon as a project is completed and have never had a problem. I think the tape companies are the ones who tell everyone you shouldn't use them again and people are stupid enough to believe hem

As far as cameras that play HDV footage using miniDV tapes, a quick look at Bestbuy.com shows they are going to pay over $1000 for one of them. And I would say that the DVDs I burn the footage too are going to be in usage a lot longer than HDV camcorders that use miniDV. All the newer cameras are going solid state media so you might as well be handing them digital 8 tapes because they won't be able to play them forever.
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KevinShaw
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Apr 6, 2008, 8:35 AM

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If you're taking the time to make a dozen or more raw footage DVDs, I would think you should charge more than $50 - but that's up to you. As far as reusing tapes is concerned, I don't see the point unless you use a lot of tapes per event: I typically use one 8-pack of Maxells which costs ~$20 and wouldn't risk a dropped frame to cut that expense out of my budget.

Personally I don't like offering "raw footage" to clients but will offer extended edited footage if they really want to see that. The last client to make such a request ended up asking to have some footage removed because it was simply too much.

By the way, Anazon.com lists the Canon HV10 HDV camera starting at $579.

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2ndMile
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Apr 6, 2008, 12:07 PM

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Kenny undercharges for everything, don't you know? Tongue

I kid because I love Kenny!

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RustyB
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Apr 6, 2008, 12:20 PM

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....I typically use one 8-pack of Maxells ... ....Personally I don't like offering "raw footage" to clients ...

Holy smokes! 8 tapes for a wedding???? It would take me 2 years to edit a wedding shot with 8 tapes! Laugh

Last nights wedding, I shot about 30 minutes on my balcony cam (1 tape), and 70 minutes on my main cam (2 tapes...but if I has shot better I could have got it down to one and save a couple of dollars).

And that was for 6 hours of coverage...Catholic ceremony and 4 hour reception. Cool

That's why I make the BIG money. Laugh

I recently broke my own rules, and gave a client the raw footage MiniDV tapes (video was in DV). Sure enough, it bit me in the arse...I knew better than to give it to them. This was one of those horrible MOB's spoiling her "princess" that you KNOW is going to be a problem. Now she wants all sorts of changes, and sent me a long email on how terrible the video was. (I thought it was one of the best videos I've done.) Basically, I think she was just upset SHE wasn't in the video more. The wedding was on HER birthday, and she wanted to make sure I shot from an angle where SHE was in the background while I shot the vows. Laugh

She actually told me there was TOO MUCH video of the bride and groom in the highlights, and that much of it could be deleted and replaced with more of her and her other daughters. Laugh

No more raw footage to clients...ever. It's stupid to re-learn these lessons every few years.

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RT Steele
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Apr 6, 2008, 5:09 PM

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she wanted to make sure I shot from an angle where SHE was in the background while I shot the vows.

Hey! "The customer is always right."

LMAO!!! Sly

Really, where the hell were you supposed to shoot from to make this possible? Especially at a catholic service. Why didn't that MOB just stand between the couple?

And I've only sold raw footage something like 4 times - each time to somebody that wanted to edit it. (I wonder if they were trying to tell me something Wink

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- RT

RustyB
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Apr 6, 2008, 5:19 PM

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...Really, where the hell were you supposed to shoot from to make this possible? Especially at a catholic service. Why didn't that MOB just stand between the couple? ...

It was odd. Actually, when I got there, it's where the "priest" WANTED me to stand. (It was in Bryan/College Station, where Texas A&M exists..."Aggies"...if that says anything.) I stood RIGHT next to the Priest at the altar during the whole ceremony/mass. Laugh

At least he left out a bowl of snacky crackers and wine for me to munch on during the service, although I thought they were kinda bland and he could have at least had a bowl of queso or salse to go with it.

I used to offer raw footage on DVD for like $200. I sold it ONCE, and honestly it wasn't worth my time, regardless of the possible bad consequences of giving people raw footage. I don't do "short form only" packages, so there's not really anything on the raw footage the customer doesn't get.

Brides just think that I shoot 10 hours of footage, and have all this wonderful stuff that didn't make it into the final video. Reality is, if it ain't going onto the DVD, I don't press the record button.

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Brackish
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Apr 6, 2008, 5:20 PM

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Personally I don't like offering "raw footage" to clients ...

Hey, Kevin.

Why don't you do like I do and just tell them "no" when they
ask about raw footage. Just say it's your "company policy" that
you don't give it out. I have never given out raw footage.
The few that were persistent about wanting it, once I quoted the
price for "cleaned up" raw footage, they didn't want it anymore.

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bruceo
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Apr 6, 2008, 8:41 PM

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Kenny undercharges for everything, don't you know? Tongue

Apparently it is affecting his market. I heard from a very reliable source that Dave W hasn't been able to book a wedding since Kenny has become the most popular HD videographer in Philly @ $1500 a pop. So Dave had to layoff his well paid crew. Apparently it has already put him on the brink of bankruptcy, hence his disappearance from the forums. Supposedly Dave is going to try to keep his head above water by having his sister help him out for free and finding a scrub to shoot with him for about 8-$10/hr and then he might be able to live a meager existence competing with $1500 HD weddings.

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RT Steele
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Apr 6, 2008, 8:59 PM

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Apparently it has already put him on the brink of bankruptcy

A drooling wino with a squeegee mounted on a smooth shooter attacked my windshield the other day. I feel bad about running the poor guy off now.

- RT

Kenneth
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Apr 6, 2008, 9:23 PM

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Kenny undercharges for everything, don't you know? Tongue

That was completely off base, Bruce. I pay my sister. LOL

I seriously doubt Dave goes through a whole day and even has one thought about me and how I am affecting his business. We're going after 2 completely different demographics. And even if there was any chance that what you said could be true - I don't care. If another videographer came up to you and gave you some crazy theory as to why your price structure was ruining his business, would you care at all? Or would you care about feeding yourl ovely wife and beautiful children first?
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Kenneth
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Apr 6, 2008, 9:27 PM

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Kenny undercharges for everything, don't you know? Tongue

I kid because I love Kenny!

You better love me. My video empire is bigger and stronger than last year. I figure by the year 2014 my low prices will have put every videographer in the country our of business and you will all be working for me.

If you're lucky I might leave you on staff to do capture work. I've already designated Dave Williams to be my assistant to carry my tripod bags and dollies. Wink

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Brackish
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Apr 6, 2008, 9:56 PM

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I've already designated Dave to be my assistant to carry my tripod bags and dollies.

You better be nice if you want him to keep referring you.

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