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Equipment depreciation for income tax: How to?

 

 


Brackish
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Apr 8, 2008, 8:20 PM

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Well, I just started trying to do my own taxes for the business
for the first time and I ran into a part I can't figure out. They want to
know depreciation of equipment. And the form I'm looking
at doesn't explain how to arrive at that figure ... it just
asks for the figure.

What's the easiest way to handle this? Perhaps to
depreciate the entire value in the year of the purchase?

Any tips would be helpful.

Say I spent $1000 on equipment in '07. Do I fill in that the
depreciation would be "$1000" if I want to do it all in one year?

And is vehicle depreciation included in with equipment depreciation?


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Roscoe_Video
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Apr 8, 2008, 10:00 PM

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Depreciation vs expensing an item.

Expense - is a charge against revenue in the current year.
Depreciation - is a charge against income over multi years

The test of expense vs depreciation, is the longevity of the item. eg we wouldn't expect disposable items like pens and paper to last more than an one income year, so they can be expensed in the current income year. It's the idea of matching expensing the item against the amount of income that was received during that period.

Equipment lasts more than one taxable year, so it it expensed via depreciation across more than one year. How many years depends upon the nature of the item. Cars tend to last longer than cameras. Your federal tax system will have a table listing how much you are eligible to bring to account each year. Usually it is a percentage, and then depends on whether you are able to use straight line ( eg 33% of purchase price per year ) or diminishing value (33% of book value per year, so the value never really reaches $0.00). They usually don't care which so long as you are consistent.

So you can't depreciate an item in one year, you're expensing it in that case.

to work out how much depn to expense

$1000 of equipment with a life of say 4 yrs

Yr 1 $1000 x 25% = $250 depn Book value 1000-250=750
Yr 2 $1000 x 25% = $250 depn Book value 750-250=500
etc
to end oy year 4 Book value nil.

Equipment is usually recorded separately to motor vehicles in your Fixed asset register.


I would suggest that if you are unclear on depreciation and how it affects your profit in any year, that you make sure someone is reviewing your accounts before you file them. You wouldn't expect a CPA to shoot a multi-camera service without a glitch first time up, just like he wouldn't expect you to get your accounts or tax return spot the first time up.

Ross Herewini
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(This post was edited by Roscoe_Video on Apr 8, 2008, 10:02 PM)


Joel
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Apr 8, 2008, 10:40 PM

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Hey,

If your capital expenditures for one year are so great that you want to spread them out over more than one tax year that is when you have to set a depreciation schedule. I consider camera purchases as Operation Expenditures rather than Capital Expenditures and avoid the whole depreciation mess by taking the full deduction for equipment purchases during the year its purchased.

Capital Expenditures:
http://en.wikipedia.org/.../Capital_expenditure

Operational Expenditures:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operating_expense

Unless I've purchased a boat load of hardware that essentially creates negative net income (as I did during the first few years of operation but not since) I leave the depreciation cost field blank and take the full deduction for hardware expenses within the "other" expense field of the schedule C.

Joel


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(This post was edited by Joel on Apr 8, 2008, 10:52 PM)


bruceo
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Apr 8, 2008, 10:52 PM

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Hey,

If your capital expenditures for one year are so great that you want to spread them out over more than one tax year that is when you have to set a depreciation schedule. I avoid the whole depreciation mess by taking the full deduction for equipment purchases during the year its purchased and don't depreciate on a schedule.



For some reason a lot of people don't know about what you are referencing Joel which is the 179 deduction which for 2007 allows you to fully expense captial items up to $125,000 which should pretty much cover everything a normal videographer would buy in a year. But those items must still be tracked and when sold must be reported for recapture of taxes. Also it is a better idea to depreciate during years you might plan to apply for an auto or home loan as the big hits you get from 179 deductions often will make it look like you made little to no money and explaining 179 passthrough on a K1 or Schedule C to most loan officers is tough.


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fr0gm@n
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Apr 8, 2008, 11:29 PM

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If I remember what my accountant told me this year you can't inadvertently decide to depreciate something for 2 years or three years. You can't just on your own decide how long the depreciation will be. Depending on the items you have options on the number of years ( I think) but you can't just decide on 2 years cause it sounds good.

Be careful if you are thinking of vehicle depreciation. The car has to be owned by the business and any personal miles you use it for have to be logged as personal use and then those miles are taxed as income at the regular mileage rate. In otherwords, if you have a company car you have to use it for company use only. If you personally own the car and use it for company use you can deduct the miles used at the regular mileage reduction rate. When you are a small company and have a "company car" it is a red flag item.

These are all reasons why my $159 I pay the accountant is money well spent. I couldn't keep up with all this stuff.


All information noted above is based purely on what I remember the accountant telling me this year and in previous years. Because of the nature of accounting "babble" much of the information clouding my memory may not be completely accurate as accounting speak is a language in, and of itself. Please don't take any of my accounting advice as the written law. I can't be held responsible for any of the above advice. I think it is accurate but don't quote me.



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Joel
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Apr 9, 2008, 12:15 AM

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...But those items must still be tracked and when sold must be reported for recapture of taxes.


I simplify it there, maybe naively, by treating the money from the sale of section 179 items (i.e. gear dumped on eBay) as income. Its sloppy and maybe a little ignorant of the tax law, but I don't fear an audit.



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Also it is a better idea to depreciate during years you might plan to apply for an auto or home loan as the big hits you get from 179 deductions often will make it look like you made little to no money and explaining 179 passthrough on a K1 or Schedule C to most loan officers is tough.


Absolutely. Try getting a loan if it looks like you don't make any money.

Joel


"Think of this business as a room with a huge table and a bunch of chairs around the table. There is a big pie on the table. Your mission is to take your place at the table, pick up your fork, and eat your pie. Do not look to the left and do not look to the right. Just eat your pie. There is plenty of pie for everyone."


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(This post was edited by Joel on Apr 9, 2008, 1:12 AM)


glimmer
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Apr 9, 2008, 1:43 AM

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Contact the IRS - they'll tell you what's right....

http://www.irs.gov/...tions/p334/ch08.html

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brucecleveland
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Apr 9, 2008, 8:26 AM

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These are all reasons why my $159 I pay the accountant is money well spent. I couldn't keep up with all this stuff.


$159??? Wow where you finding an accountant that works that cheap?

Bruce
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fr0gm@n
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Apr 9, 2008, 9:34 AM

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They are right down the street from me. I take my quickbook reports with me, give them the information and a few weeks later it is ready to go. I don't take a box of receipts and a check register and make them do the work. All they have to do is plug numbers into the system.



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bruceo
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Apr 9, 2008, 1:36 PM

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Contact the IRS - they'll tell you what's right....

http://www.irs.gov/...tions/p334/ch08.html




Which also refreshed me on commenting that most of the stuff we as videographers buy is considered listed property, which is scrutinized and is also an audit flag, which is why it is important to keep tight records of those assets and their exclusive business use.


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cowboy13
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Apr 9, 2008, 2:35 PM

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Which forms are you using? I just finished mine on Monday for the year. I have been doing the same thing for the past 6 years now and have not been audited so I must be doing it correctly. I depreciate all camera purchases and computer equipment. Small purchases are just expensed out.


Ron Priest
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Brack, are you using the Turbo Tax online that you were asking about the other day?
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Shadow
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Apr 17, 2008, 8:41 PM

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You're braver than me, I took everything back to the accountant again.

Good luck with it!


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Brackish
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Apr 23, 2008, 3:51 PM

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I consider camera purchases as Operation Expenditures rather than Capital Expenditures and avoid the whole depreciation mess by taking the full deduction for equipment purchases during the year its purchased.

Thanks for the tip, Joel. Decided to go the easy route and take the full deduction for the year of purchase, rather than spreading it out.


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Brackish
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Brack, are you using the Turbo Tax online that you were asking about the other day?


Hi, Ron.

Yes, I ended up using Turbo Tax online.


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