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How the Sony Z7U failed me beyond words...UPDATED 05/12

 

 


glimmer
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May 10, 2008, 10:57 PM

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So it's been a short while since I fronted the lens issues with the Sony Z7U and Sony's management, and after all of the time spent on the phone, emails, message boards, and whatever else, the issues are being fixed on a hush-hush, if-you-have-the-problem-call-Sony basis. I can't blame them as the issues are somewhat sporadic, as well as some users not worrying about it for some reason or another.

One of my cameras, the one that I had overnighted to Sony a few weeks ago, came back last week and I used it for a fairly high-end wedding this evening. Oh, and while high-end is a loose term, what I mean by that is someone who spends several hundred thousand dollars on the event and a significant investment with me, as well as other finite details. Upon receipt of the camera from Sony, it appeared to be working fine and focusing from left to right seemed corrected. I never did lengthy testing, just some small things here and there, and figured that it'll work great tonight - oh, was I ever wrong.

Well, here's how this camera failed me this evening and how bad it actually failed.

1> I began filming prep about 10am. Everything was fine, and for these (and most filming for that matter), I do practically everything in manual - manual focus, iris, white balance, gain, shutter speed, etc. Things went fine. Filmed on and off from 10am - 1:45pm, noticing some interesting results with regards to sync recordation between the tape and CF. For those that read the CF review I did a few months back, I did have some sync issues, but read on and find out just how bad this was...

2> Ceremony started at 2pm. I had a 5-cam setup, but only one Z7U this time as the others are being used for another project elsewhere. The CF / tape sync was a complete mess, and I soon noticed that the lens was constantly showing a flair of sorts - never saw this before but just imagine a lens flare on the lens when there's no sun - or any relevant lighting. Heck, it was raining most of the day.

3> CH Hour was when the fun began. Sync issues were really screwing me up, and you'll soon find out why...the focusing became insanely bad, so bad that I just couldn't focus.

4> Reception soon followed and filming was absolutely ridiculous. I don't even know words to explain the stress and aggravation I have right now....

...So, here's a nice list of all the wonderful problems this evening and what it has cost me in terms of what was supposed to be done...

1> Auto focus is no longer existent. It was at the beginning of the day, but the lens/camera decided otherwise. While I do manual for most things, filming dancing in manual is very difficult and that's what I had to do the entire time. Why? Well, the ring that goes back and forth between auto and manual basically stopped working. Sure, it moves the way it should but in auto, the numerical distance figure appears but nothing can be focused - the image is just blurry the entire time, no matter what you do with the camera - this shouldn't happen, nor the numerical distance appearing in the first place. In manual, it appears with the manual focus icon and it works fine, but became much more difficult to focus anything. I also had this crazy flare of sorts in the image...sometimes it was there, sometimes it wasn't. Why was this so critical this evening? Well, I was supposed to do an SDE of random dance shots, with the help of an assistant who would offload the footage from the CF and sync it to the tape of another camera for multiple angles between both. Why could I not do this?

Problem #1 - - - - The lens is a piece of crap. I'd use other words but I am so aggravated by this camera that I officially have no confidence or faith in it and don't have a clue what to do with what was recorded.

Problem #2 - - - - The SDE couldn't be done because the footage looks horrendous, and (go to #3)

Problem #3 - - - - I used Transcend 32GB cards - 3 of them over the course of five tapes. The total sync differential between the recorded footage, in length, to that of the cards, was 17 minutes and 12 seconds. So, we couldn't properly sync anything, and, I can't rely on the cards' footage as I'm somehow missing 17+ minutes of footage throughout the day that is on the tapes. This is one of the reasons why I did the CF test a while ago to check sync issues but this is appauling and there is absolutely no reason at all for this to happen. I know that the CF device does need to close the recorded session and properly buffer and record the next segment, but if it's in sync, then the tape and CF card should record and stop simultaneously and not have one start while the other one is still thinking about what to do. I would have been better off just using CF cards and no tapes. Sony has recommended that everyone uses their 306x CF cards, claiming that they are better, but the only thing they do better is transfer the footage to a computer (or similar device) as the bandwidth needed to record to the card, from the camera, is achieved by a 133x card, hence the reason of the minimum requirements. So, for Sony to recommend their product, I think, is a sad excuse.

So, where does this leave me? That's a heck of a good question. I'll be calling and emailing Sony Monday morning. At this point, whether it's a small claims court case to cover the cost of whatever will happen with this evening's footage with regards to what I did not and still won't be able to provide the client, with a quality product, or a replacement camera - or perhaps an EX1 with some cards, I am overly perturbed. I, again, have to play the single-person-with-a-large-voice versuse the conglomerate, Sony.

We'll see what happens. Anyone want to buy me a drink?


So it's been a short while since I fronted the lens issues with the Sony Z7U and Sony's management, and after all of the time spent on the phone, emails, message boards, and whatever else, the issues are being fixed on a hush-hush, if-you-have-the-problem-call-Sony basis. I can't blame them as the issues are somewhat sporadic, as well as some users not worrying about it for some reason or another.

One of my cameras, the one that I had overnighted to Sony a few weeks ago, came back last week and I used it for a fairly high-end wedding this evening. Oh, and while high-end is a loose term, what I mean by that is someone who spends several hundred thousand dollars on the event and a significant investment with me, as well as other finite details. Upon receipt of the camera from Sony, it appeared to be working fine and focusing from left to right seemed corrected. I never did lengthy testing, just some small things here and there, and figured that it'll work great tonight - oh, was I ever wrong.

Well, here's how this camera failed me this evening and how bad it actually failed.

1> I began filming prep about 10am. Everything was fine, and for these (and most filming for that matter), I do practically everything in manual - manual focus, iris, white balance, gain, shutter speed, etc. Things went fine. Filmed on and off from 10am - 1:45pm, noticing some interesting results with regards to sync recordation between the tape and CF. For those that read the CF review I did a few months back, I did have some sync issues, but read on and find out just how bad this was...

2> Ceremony started at 2pm. I had a 5-cam setup, but only one Z7U this time as the others are being used for another project elsewhere. The CF / tape sync was a complete mess, and I soon noticed that the lens was constantly showing a flair of sorts - never saw this before but just imagine a lens flare on the lens when there's no sun - or any relevant lighting. Heck, it was raining most of the day.

3> CH Hour was when the fun began. Sync issues were really screwing me up, and you'll soon find out why...the focusing became insanely bad, so bad that I just couldn't focus.

4> Reception soon followed and filming was absolutely ridiculous. I don't even know words to explain the stress and aggravation I have right now....

...So, here's a nice list of all the wonderful problems this evening and what it has cost me in terms of what was supposed to be done...

1> Auto focus is no longer existent. It was at the beginning of the day, but the lens/camera decided otherwise. While I do manual for most things, filming dancing in manual is very difficult and that's what I had to do the entire time. Why? Well, the ring that goes back and forth between auto and manual basically stopped working. Sure, it moves the way it should but in auto, the numerical distance figure appears but nothing can be focused - the image is just blurry the entire time, no matter what you do with the camera - this shouldn't happen, nor the numerical distance appearing in the first place. In manual, it appears with the manual focus icon and it works fine, but became much more difficult to focus anything. I also had this crazy flare of sorts in the image...sometimes it was there, sometimes it wasn't. Why was this so critical this evening? Well, I was supposed to do an SDE of random dance shots, with the help of an assistant who would offload the footage from the CF and sync it to the tape of another camera for multiple angles between both. Why could I not do this?

Problem #1 - - - - The lens is a piece of crap. I'd use other words but I am so aggravated by this camera that I officially have no confidence or faith in it and don't have a clue what to do with what was recorded.

Problem #2 - - - - The SDE couldn't be done because the footage looks horrendous, and (go to #3)

Problem #3 - - - - I used Transcend 32GB cards - 3 of them over the course of five tapes. The total sync differential between the recorded footage, in length, to that of the cards, was 17 minutes and 12 seconds. So, we couldn't properly sync anything, and, I can't rely on the cards' footage as I'm somehow missing 17+ minutes of footage throughout the day that is on the tapes. This is one of the reasons why I did the CF test a while ago to check sync issues but this is appauling and there is absolutely no reason at all for this to happen. I know that the CF device does need to close the recorded session and properly buffer and record the next segment, but if it's in sync, then the tape and CF card should record and stop simultaneously and not have one start while the other one is still thinking about what to do. I would have been better off just using CF cards and no tapes. Sony has recommended that everyone uses their 306x CF cards, claiming that they are better, but the only thing they do better is transfer the footage to a computer (or similar device) as the bandwidth needed to record to the card, from the camera, is achieved by a 133x card, hence the reason of the minimum requirements. So, for Sony to recommend their product, I think, is a sad excuse.

So, where does this leave me? That's a heck of a good question. I'll be calling and emailing Sony Monday morning. At this point, whether it's a small claims court case to cover the cost of whatever will happen with this evening's footage with regards to what I did not and still won't be able to provide the client, with a quality product, or a replacement camera - or perhaps an EX1 with some cards, I am overly perturbed. I, again, have to play the single-person-with-a-large-voice versuse the conglomerate, Sony.

We'll see what happens. Anyone want to buy me a drink?


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05/12 update (yeah, 2am and I'm still awake....have to be up at 6am, too.

Something else, as if it weren't already enough, I looked at all of the clips recorded to the CF cards. Interestingly, not all of them got recorded as A/V files, in that I have some that are video only. That's certainly a first. One of the 'best' clips is 21 minutes long, a full 4G file, which is the first half of the ceremony - no audio! LUCKILY I have this on tape, which seems fine.

So...I had 1,021 total A/V files, spread out over 3 cards, and out of those 47 of them had no audio. This is completely sporadic and has no continuity at all.

Also, here's a clip of some great shots - who the heck knows what the camera / lens were thinking when this was filmed, but something wasn't right. Some were auto, some were manual. Once I noticed this stupidity I played back and forth between manual and auto to see what would happen.

It's about 55 seconds - http://www.baltimorevideographers.com/...erissues/mll/z7u.wmv


(This post was edited by glimmer on May 12, 2008, 2:27 AM)


2ndMile
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May 10, 2008, 11:32 PM

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I am so sorry to hear this. It totally sucks when equipment fails. That is multiplied when that equipment is new. You have my sympathy. Unfortunately that will not do anything to help with the camera.



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brucecleveland
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May 11, 2008, 2:29 PM

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Marshall that is so so sad. I hope Sony can eventually help you.

I have a question on the cf card sync. This could be the biggest potential problem of all for me in the long run. Are you saying that when you begin taping with tape and the card that the sync is off at the start or does it not stay in sync throughout the recording. Say you are recording an hour of video. Will the sync be right on at the end with tape and card, or is it off at the end. And saying this is the tape in the Z7, is there also sync problems with tape cameras? I guess my main worry is that the cards are not going quite the same speed as tape. Not sure if this even makes sense. Also wondering if 2 or more z7s would stay in sync throughout the whole recording.

Good luck with Sony tomorrow.

Bruce
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glimmer
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May 11, 2008, 4:35 PM

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Hey, Bruce. I was going to call you but spared you the phone call :)

The syncing issue is an absolute disaster. I would have been better off recording on one media than both, and while I haven't really filmed on tapes in a few years, wanted to for the sake of what was supposed to be a SDE last night, as well as to see how the camera performed.

Here's a quick example, but do keep in mind that based on how the CF recorder closes out the recorded sessions, the start-up is different than when recording to tape happens.

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Let's say the camera is on and I hit record, whereby the tape and CF are both synced together. Chances are good that they'll both start at the same time and this can be seen by the red record light on the LCD. However, if you stop recording and then quickly start again, the tape will start first while the CF is still closing out the previous session, so if you're recording a long segment, you'll get the full thing on the tape but perhaps only the latter part on the CF card. It was so bad last night that, as I stated, I had to tell my client that I couldn't do the SDE - they were acceptable, but I know they weren't happy as it's something they were looking forward to - and I'll have to credit them $1200. Add that with what I've already lost because of this camera.

I had, for what I noticed last night, 17+ more minutes of footage on the tapes than what's on the CF cards. I did expect this because of the CF tests I did in March, but 17 minutes is a massive amount of time and to try and piece everything together in post is going to be ridiculous. If these devices were to work properly, I would naturally assume that SYNC means in unison, together....not separate.

I basically have no faith in this camera at this point and don't have a clue what to do.

For those that are happy with this camera, I really begin to wonder if the current owners/users are actually looking at the footage and comparing everything that I have been writing about the last few months or so. I know the camera has potential, but I am stuck once again, partially screwed with this nonsense, with another event this coming weekend.


Sparky
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May 11, 2008, 7:13 PM

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I've only used my camera for two performances ... high school musicals ... and no other events.

My first wedding won't be till the end of the month and I plan on shooting both tape and on a card. The Transcend 32 gig worked great for me for the musical, but I didn't have a lot of off/on situations. I also haven't had any glitches with the card, but again ... maybe only shutting the camera off four or five times over a two hour period ... that's not much of a challenge.

I can see where if the card reader has to "end" the recording where the buffer could be off with the tape on a long day of shooting.

It'll be interesting to see what happens when my wedding rolls around on the 31st.

Good luck with Sony.
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glimmer
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May 12, 2008, 2:28 AM

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updated 05-12


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May 12, 2008, 5:42 AM

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Marshall,

I'm so sorry to hear you are having these crappy issues. And it scares the jeebers out of me that you are having memory card issues! Thank goodness you have the tape backup!
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brucecleveland
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May 12, 2008, 8:23 AM

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Marshall on the focus ring there is an A and B position. If that ring is pulled towards you it will be in some sort of manual mode that really raises problems with auto and manual focus. Is it possible you have that ring in the A position, pulled towards the back of the camera and this is causing focus issues? I discovered this when I first got the camera. If that ring is pulled back, there is really no way to tell that on the display and it is nearly impossible to focus properly on anything.

As far as the missing 17 minutes on the cf card, have you tried to import using any other method? I posted a problem a few weeks back where a clip did not appear, but I used a different method to bring in footage and it really was there.

Bruce
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glimmer
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May 12, 2008, 9:33 AM

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Oh, I played with the lens...I don't have a clue what happened. I filmed some stuff around the house late last night and it was just fair...who knows.

Regarding the missing 17 minutes, it's just not there. I even captured the tape and compared file sizes, time durations, etc. I do know that some of the interview pieces aren't there, and if you read the other post, there's no audio with the first half of the ceremony.

None of this makes any sense to me because for the little testing I did when I got the camera back a few weeks ago, everything appeared fine.

No clue. I just want a camera that works, and I need a new one by Friday. Here we go again, I can hardly wait.


Ron Priest
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May 12, 2008, 2:05 PM

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Hi Marshall

Sorry to hear about your problems. I was wondering how all of your other Z7's performed this weekend. Didn't you say you had other ones that were being used on another gig?
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glimmer
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May 12, 2008, 4:39 PM

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I had 2 Z1U's, 1 V1U, an A1U for certain things, and the Z7U. DR60's were used for the Z1U's. I have three other Z7U's, but they're offsite at a security installation I'm working on and can't be moved until the end of the month.

Now that it's 4:15pm EST, and I need a replacement or fix, or something, in four days, the worrying has officially begun. Why me...I don't deserve this!


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May 13, 2008, 8:48 AM

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That's really scarey. Are all of your Z7's having problems or is this just a lemon?
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glimmer
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May 13, 2008, 9:38 AM

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One is major problems, two had the blurry lens issue, one of which was fixed, and the other one, with two others, are on lock down doing a 6-week time lapse.

So, this one, the one that was used on Saturday basically became posessed and has some crazy issues. I was playing with it last night and the zooming was intermittent. No idea what's happening but if Saturday nears too soon I'll have to take a loan and buy another camera - have yet another SDE on Saturday. I'm really beginning to hate this and almost wish I went with EX1's, despite some hiccups (and cost).

This shouldn't happen to me!