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Laura Moses
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Mar 10, 2008, 12:14 AM

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Our very own Jones, Jason, Chris Watson, Glen Elliott, Bill Gaff and many more discuss the new documentary. This article it HOT! http://www.eventdv.net/...&ArticleID=41182

Laura

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Have you ever seen so many gulls? What do you suppose it is?

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Don Pham
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Mar 10, 2008, 9:06 AM

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nicely done guys!

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Joel
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Mar 10, 2008, 12:36 PM

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 Congrats everyone! (I really wish Loi could have been included.)


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Our very own Jones, Jason, Chris Watson, Glen Elliott, Bill Gaff and many more discuss the new documentary. This article it HOT! http://www.eventdv.net/...&ArticleID=41182

Laura
Joel


"Think of this business as a room with a huge table and a bunch of chairs around the table. There is a big pie on the table. Your mission is to take your place at the table, pick up your fork, and eat your pie. Do not look to the left and do not look to the right. Just eat your pie. There is plenty of pie for everyone."


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Daniel
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Mar 10, 2008, 1:42 PM

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Very cool!

I don't think it needs to be one or the other so thats why i am trying to hone a style that mixes the best of both worlds. I think that is my own personal sweetspot.

Its hard to do right now because of a backlog and people didnt pay for that sort of edit. Unsure





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Joel
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Mar 10, 2008, 2:34 PM

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No need for rationalization. I'm going to be a romantic style editor until I don't care for it anymore. Being critical of a certain way of cutting images together, including mine, doesn't bother me at all. I do it all the time. Stand behind what you do and don't try to meet someone else's ideal, especially another videographer's. Gotta have a voice. What matters is if you're busy, you're happy and your clients are happy. Things that come to mind are some of the comments Robert Allen said that state that styles come and go, like fashions. And I totally know where Glen is coming from. While I disagree with a lot of it I don't discount it. Its brain food. I'm never going to be ashamed of hearing that the video seems better than the actual event. That's my goal. Its an idealized fantasy that sells itself - glossy and rich and comprehensive. The more money shots the better. Its what happened on the wedding day with a sense that what happened was an amazing experience, not a reality TV show.

Just my 2 cents.

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Very cool!

I don't think it needs to be one or the other so thats why i am trying to hone a style that mixes the best of both worlds. I think that is my own personal sweetspot.

Its hard to do right now because of a backlog and people didnt pay for that sort of edit. Unsure
Joel


"Think of this business as a room with a huge table and a bunch of chairs around the table. There is a big pie on the table. Your mission is to take your place at the table, pick up your fork, and eat your pie. Do not look to the left and do not look to the right. Just eat your pie. There is plenty of pie for everyone."


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Don Pham
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Mar 10, 2008, 3:01 PM

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What matters is if you're busy, you're happy and your clients are happy.

ditto.

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stevemoses
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Mar 10, 2008, 3:25 PM

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That's my goal. Its an idealized fantasy that sells itself - glossy and rich and comprehensive. The more money shots the better. Its what happened on the wedding day with a sense that what happened was an amazing experience, not a reality TV show.

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I like that, nice way to put it Joel. Smile

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Kenneth
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Mar 10, 2008, 3:27 PM

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Very nice article. These guys are definitely tops in the industry and their opinions should be taken to heart by many videographers and this article should be read and re-read several times. I especially liked that there was no big egos in the article. No "my way or the highway" kind of egos that some have expressed on the forums. This is especially true when they talk about the traditional wedding video. I agree that the traditional style is not advancing the art of video as much as the indie documentary style is, but for some reason brides just want the feeling that their whole day has been documented, even if it's a long boring video. Here is an excerpt, but everybody should go read this article:

I’ve had the pleasure of watching many stunning traditional wedding videos and I intend to enter this market with a new company of my own. It makes practical business sense to produce traditional wedding video because it is less demanding on both a technical and creative basis. It won’t set the world on fire, but it is easy to shoot, promises quick turnaround times, satisfies clients, and its potential for healthy profits means that the ‘old’ will always be with us. This is a good thing, and as long as these productions are crafted on solid filmmaking practice, traditional wedding video can and will be the firm foundation our industry is built upon."
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Kenneth
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Mar 10, 2008, 3:37 PM

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I don't think it needs to be one or the other so thats why i am trying to hone a style that mixes the best of both worlds. I think that is my own personal sweetspot.
I agree one hundred percent. I think I have a unique product from other videographers in the area and my calendar of bookings tell me I'm doing something right. I capture much of the day as a cleaned up documentation of the day, as it happened. Then I have a highlight video set to music to show friends and relatives on the fly without the 2 hour snoozefest.

And thank you Daniel. My brief conversation with you at Hooters inspired me to start doing same day edits and I did one a week ago and it's already been all the buzz with my clients, past and future. I have branded my SDE as THe B.I.G. Video Show (Bride Instant Gratification). My sales pitch is simple. It's an extension of the highlight video because we must use more detail and prep shots than we would normally use the highlight video. And it's the only immediate keepsake from the wedding day. So when a bride goes back to work on Monday after a week honeymoon they have more to show than just some up-skirt shots taken with the table cameras. They have a cleanly edited video, up until the first dance, and they have it on DVD and their iPods to show around the office.

Thanks, Dan
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stevemoses
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Mar 10, 2008, 4:04 PM

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And thank you Daniel. My brief conversation with you at Hooters inspired me .....
 You were at Hooters and Daniel inspired you? Blush He must have been wearing that special t-shirt of his. WinkShocked

Steve Moses
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Kenneth
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Mar 10, 2008, 5:44 PM

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And thank you Daniel. My brief conversation with you at Hooters inspired me .....
 You were at Hooters and Daniel inspired you? Blush He must have been wearing that special t-shirt of his. WinkShocked
He was wearing those tight orange pants and then he started talking about his packages. Very inspiring. Very.
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Daniel
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Mar 11, 2008, 1:29 AM

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Hey bud! That is very nice, thanks for letting me know that. I like your name for it..very cool.

But be warned man..your biz will grow exponentially (which means you will now be doing 352 weddings a year!) and you will be become and addict like the rest of us. Unsure


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Kenneth
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Mar 11, 2008, 2:16 AM

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But be warned man..your biz will grow exponentially (which means you will now be doing 352 weddings a year!) and you will be become and addict like the rest of us.
That is my master plan. To get the company huge. My wife and I jokingly call our business The Video Empire. (insert The Imperial March here)

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Daniel
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Daniel
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i agree. You can do "cinematic" to the cows come home and it will always look beautiful.

We need to remember that our brides are not the "sophisticated" movie viewers that we are. They don't study various film and story techniques like we do. They just know what they like.

A lot of times, that is the "other world" fantasy interpretation of their day and not a documentary.

I don't think i will ever do SDEs that don't involve a lot of slo motion. I just don't see the emotional response being as great without it. (this side of the Phillipines anyways. )





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Daniel
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Sure Loi..whatever. Cool





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Laura Moses
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Mar 11, 2008, 6:36 PM

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I don't think it needs to be one or the other so thats why i am trying to hone a style that mixes the best of both worlds. I think that is my own personal sweetspot.


Hi Daniel,

Agreed. We've always been a mixture of the two ourselves.

Have you ever thought about NOT honing a style as a selling point? It's been a natural metamorphosis for me, with our premium packages, to just sit down and do what feels right with the edit. I hadn't much thought about it until a client - a groom no less - asked me yesterday to "custom design" (his words) his wedding film. From the editing style, to every track of music, to the storytelling. This is what I usually do anyway, but to have someone actually request it in those terms was a delightful surprise! It was so exciting to have my efforts in this regard recognized and for a client to "get it".

Back to the original post though and those who call it “bullocks” - whenever any videographer or group of videographers tries to reinvent, revitalize, or improve any genre of wedding filmmaking it generates excitement in the industry and gets everyone thinking about ways to improve their own productions. Though no one style is a panacea each offers gems that can be use to great effect for those willing to learn from change.

Warmest regards,

Laura

Vantage Point Productions, Inc.
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Have you ever seen so many gulls? What do you suppose it is?

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billgaff
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Mar 11, 2008, 8:55 PM

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i think this whole new doc movement is a bunch of bollocks.


I agree.


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Daniel
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I am thinking so..yes. There are many overlapping "qualities". Cool

But recent news from a birdie makes me think it may be a certain relatively sane guy from the isle of me ancestors.


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Dan, jgmbb is McBe? Shocked
McBe is a genius and was the all time best poster on this board before he was banned.

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Daniel
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McBe is a genius and was the all time best poster on this board before he was banned.
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Darren 's Stache may have something to say about that.





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billgaff
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Mar 11, 2008, 9:21 PM

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Laura,

Thanks for posting this last comment. I appreciate your very grounded attitude about what we do for a living.

I did like the article very much. They never misquoted me and spelled my name correctly.Smile

Seriously, the writing was great and the article was interesting to me. I loved hearing what the other guys had to say. It's funny how different the styles are of the people interviewed. I really admire their work so much
In the end we are only accountable to ourselves and to be true to the idea that we need to create films that we like, personally. I have really never had a couple ask me what I thought my style was and I never bring up style when I meet with them.

For what it's worth I was thrilled to be interviewed and honestly believe in the value of what we do.

Bill


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