Video University: Video University Forums: Wedding & Event Videography: New Mac

VideoUniversity.com
Home	Free Library	Store
Free Catalog Please support VU by making your B&H purchases and links through this B&H ad. Doesn't cost a penny more.

See The New VU Postcard Catalog

To post in the forums see the Forum Guidelines.

Join or Renew Today.
New Benefits for all VU Members

Forum Guidelines and FAQ
Main Index	Search Posts
Who's Online	Log In

Home: Video University Forums: Wedding & Event Videography:
New Mac

X-Paul_Holt
Imported Account

Mar 15, 2002, 12:13 AM

Post #1 of 11 (1395 views)
Shortcut

New Mac	Can't Post

Well....for those interested the new Mac G4, duel 1 gigahertz processor, 1 gig ram, BEAST has arrived, its the longest I have been away from my Avid in years. We spent the night loading After Effects and photoshop on to it and this baby flies!. Although we have used these programs in our wedding productions it has been time consuming. The new machine definitely opens new opportunities and hopefully the ability to stay just that little bit ahead of our competitors. Need some sleeeep n o w......zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

regards Paul(dreaming about apples)Holt

X-Jack_Hutchinson
Imported Account

Mar 15, 2002, 4:00 PM

Post #2 of 11 (1394 views)
Shortcut

Re: New Mac	Can't Post

: Well....for those interested the new Mac G4, duel 1 gigahertz processor, 1 gig ram, BEAST has arrived, its the longest I have been away from my Avid in years. We spent the night loading After Effects and photoshop on to it and this baby flies!. Although we have used these programs in our wedding productions it has been time consuming. The new machine definitely opens new opportunities and hopefully the ability to stay just that little bit ahead of our competitors. Need some sleeeep n o w......zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
:
: regards Paul(dreaming about apples)Holt
Can't wait to get my own. Sleep well.
Jack

X-Henry
Imported Account

Mar 16, 2002, 9:20 PM

Post #3 of 11 (1395 views)
Shortcut

slow cpu [In reply to]	Can't Post

Are the Macs processors behind the PCs? I noticed you said you got a 1ghz. Is this the highest in the Mac line? I know that the Macs bus speeds are slower since the PCs are at 400mhz bus speeds and I believe the Macs are still at 133mhz.
I just ordered a P4 2ghz PC and that wasn't even the latest.
Anyway I'm not up with the MACs since I put together my PCs and they run like champs. I also like having more to choose from. So can you update me on the Macs?
What is the capture card you are using?
I went with the Pinnacle DC2000 since I need to capture and import MPEG2s.
So my machine is a 2ghz cpu, 1gig Memory, 128 megs on the dual monitor Geforce4 video card. A04 DVD recorder. The DC2000 is key since it has component in and outputs and I don't know of anything else in the price range that will allow you to import MPEG2.
Im curious to hear what everyone is using and for what reason. We all have our needs.

: Well....for those interested the new Mac G4, duel 1 gigahertz processor, 1 gig ram, BEAST has arrived, its the longest I have been away from my Avid in years. We spent the night loading After Effects and photoshop on to it and this baby flies!. Although we have used these programs in our wedding productions it has been time consuming. The new machine definitely opens new opportunities and hopefully the ability to stay just that little bit ahead of our competitors. Need some sleeeep n o w......zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
:
: regards Paul(dreaming about apples)Holt

X-Joel_Peregrine
Imported Account

Mar 16, 2002, 9:58 PM

Post #4 of 11 (1395 views)
Shortcut

Mac vs. PC: Megahertz Myth link [In reply to]	Can't Post

Hi,
: Are the Macs processors behind the PCs? I noticed you said you got a 1ghz. Is this the highest in the Mac line? I know that the Macs bus speeds are slower since the PCs are at 400mhz bus speeds and I believe the Macs are still at 133mhz.
Check this article out about the "Megahertz Myth":
http://www.apple.com/g4/myth/
It'll answer your questions about bus speeds and mHz ratings....

: I just ordered a P4 2ghz PC and that wasn't even the latest.
: Anyway I'm not up with the MACs since I put together my :PCs and they run like champs. I also like having more to :choose from. So can you update me on the Macs?
You can't run Final Cut Pro on a PC....
: What is the capture card you are using?
Macs use built-in Firewire i/o (not a PCI card) for most applications, though you can get capture cards if you wish...
Have you ever had a chance to use a Mac? There is an intangible feature that has a tendency to win you over after a short time. Its a combination of user friendliness and extremely well written software. I guess thats why Mac users are so enthusiastic about them....
Hence statements like this: (dreaming about apples)
Joel Peregrine
Peregrine Video Production
Whitefish Bay, WI
www.RememberTheFeeling.com

X-Hank
Imported Account

Mar 16, 2002, 10:37 PM

Post #5 of 11 (1395 views)
Shortcut

Capture Cards, not simple, cheap firewire cards [In reply to]	Can't Post

thanks for the link, but it didn't touch on the bus speeds and it surely didn't talk about the 2ghz processor. It was known that the processors under 2ghz were lacking so they now have 2.4ghz and above on the PC side. Does the G4 stop at 1ghz and what is the bus spd? It seems that the Mac builts cpus to beat the latest PC ver but then it sits back for awhile while the PCs get faster then the MAC comes out with a faster one and sits back again.
Many PCs can be bought with built in Firewire as well but are you saying that all you use is the built in firewire that comes with the MAC? Capture cards are more than just a way to get video into the machine. The have built in hardware that allow for realtime encoding and analog captures as well as DV.
If you are using just a firewire card then everything you do needs rendering or is software based rendering instead of the faster hardware base way to go. Simple firewire cards aren't a mac only feature just cheap one that Mac uses to catch the attention of the home editor.
And sure I used to use a Mac when I worked for a place that ran Media 100 off of one. I wasn't pleased with the fact that I had to direct memory use instead of the machine doing it automatically like PCs do.
Most those that use PCs use them because they are techy enought to built one from scratch. This allows you to get the latest for the cheapest option. You can't custom built a MAC like you can a PC because MAC own the right to these parts. So many companies make PC parts and that is why the prices are better.
I use Premiere 6 so I don't have the need for Final Cut. I remember when I was using 5.1 my friend said he didn't like it on his mac. Well it turns out that the mac version was still in the 4s. Because Adobe always did the PC version first. Like many programs it gets done for the PC first then they try to glue it together for the mac. that's why it never really works well on the MAC. I guess this is why everyone likes the Final Cut because it is made specifically for the Mac.
any way I'm sure this can turn into a PC ver Mac debate but that isn't really the reason I'm here. No matter what, there will always be an argument for both sides and no one will win.
What I really would like to know is geared to the people using real capture cards. What are you using and why?
thanks,
: Hi,
: : Are the Macs processors behind the PCs? I noticed you said you got a 1ghz. Is this the highest in the Mac line? I know that the Macs bus speeds are slower since the PCs are at 400mhz bus speeds and I believe the Macs are still at 133mhz.
And sure I used to use a Mac when I work for a place that ran Media 100 off of one. I wasn't please with the fact that I had to direct memory use instead of the machine doing it automatically like PCs do.
I use Premiere 6 so I don't have the need for Final Cut. I remember when I was using 5.1 my friend said he didn't like it on his mac. Will it turns out that the mac version was still in the 4s. Because Adobe always did the PC version first. Like many programs it gets done for the PC first then they try to glue it together for the mac. that's why it never really works well on the MAC. I guess this is why everyone like the Final Cut because it is made specifically for the Mac.
any way I'm sure this can turn into a PC ver Mac debate but that isn't really the reason I'm here. No matter what, there will always be an argument for both sides and no one will win.
What I really would like to know is geared to the people using real capture cards. What are you using and why?
thanks,
: Check this article out about the "Megahertz Myth":
: http://www.apple.com/g4/myth/
: It'll answer your questions about bus speeds and mHz ratings....

: : I just ordered a P4 2ghz PC and that wasn't even the latest.
: : Anyway I'm not up with the MACs since I put together my :PCs and they run like champs. I also like having more to :choose from. So can you update me on the Macs?
: You can't run Final Cut Pro on a PC....
: : What is the capture card you are using?
: Macs use built-in Firewire i/o (not a PCI card) for most applications, though you can get capture cards if you wish...
: Have you ever had a chance to use a Mac? There is an intangible feature that has a tendency to win you over after a short time. Its a combination of user friendliness and extremely well written software. I guess thats why Mac users are so enthusiastic about them....
: Hence statements like this: (dreaming about apples)
: Joel Peregrine
: Peregrine Video Production
: Whitefish Bay, WI
: www.RememberTheFeeling.com

X-John
Imported Account

Mar 17, 2002, 3:16 AM

Post #6 of 11 (1394 views)
Shortcut

Re: Come again? [In reply to]	Can't Post

: thanks for the link, but it didn't touch on the bus speeds and it surely didn't talk about the 2ghz processor. It was known that the processors under 2ghz were lacking so they now have 2.4ghz and above on the PC side. Does the G4 stop at 1ghz and what is the bus spd? It seems that the Mac builts cpus to beat the latest PC ver but then it sits back for awhile while the PCs get faster then the MAC comes out with a faster one and sits back again.
The article as I see it doesn't touch on bus speeds because they don't matter. The Mac guy explained it pretty easily with how much faster a mac is. Now if you are concerned about the G4 against the 2.0 pentium check out this article http://www.apple.com/powermac/specs.html as it will show you that it blows away the PC's.
Also Mac doesn't have to come out every hour with a new speeder chip because PC's never catch up to her.If the dual 1Gig is 300% faster that a 2 gig pentium Mac can wait quite a while before the pentium catches up. (The first Power Mac to blast through the 1GHz barrier, the new twin-engined G4 runs professional applications like Adobe Photoshop up to 72 percent faster � and crunches digital video over 300 percent faster � than a 2GHz Pentium 4-based PC.)
72% faster with Photoshop which of course was made first for the PC's but perfected for the Mac. Glued together version spare me...sure looks like the program works a heck of a lot better on a Mac...
Just get your facts straight before launching an attack...
A Mac Man all the way
John

X-Henry
Imported Account

Mar 17, 2002, 2:00 PM

Post #7 of 11 (1394 views)
Shortcut

again [In reply to]	Can't Post

The only attack I see is the one you just launched.
I'm just asking simple questions.
Paul emailed me and explained in a nice simple manner. So relax and enjoy a conversion buddy.
If I look at the maker of the G4 and go souly by what they say then you have made your point about speed and using it for Photoshop. I don't plan to look for what the intel or AMD folks have to say because I'm sure they will pick a software to benifit their spd (this isn't a new arguement and they have been playing these games for years). If this is new to you then brace yourself for year of enjoyment.
Like I explained to Paul. All the spd in the world isn't going to replace not having the proper hardware. Hardware that you can't buy for the MAC under $1000. I don't care if the Mac can encode MPEG2 faster because I am not going to use software to do the job. A DC1000 or 2000 card will encode it real-time as it enters the computer. You can't get faster than that.
Like I said we all have our needs and MPEG2 is key with me. I don't want to spend hrs waiting for MPEG2 encoding on a Mac when I can have a capture card on a PC doing the job as I capture the video for editing.
What capture card do you know of for a MAC, under $1000 that will do that. Heck what will do it for double that price.
Spd is the Key and hardware is the way to get it. Video needs hardware. But if you are a Photo guy then I guess you got what you need with a MAC.
I'm not challenging you unless you own Apple and your name is really Steve. In this case I really want to be your buddy.
Once you go hardware encoding you'll understand what real time is about and you'll never go back.
: : thanks for the link, but it didn't touch on the bus speeds and it surely didn't talk about the 2ghz processor. It was known that the processors under 2ghz were lacking so they now have 2.4ghz and above on the PC side. Does the G4 stop at 1ghz and what is the bus spd? It seems that the Mac builts cpus to beat the latest PC ver but then it sits back for awhile while the PCs get faster then the MAC comes out with a faster one and sits back again.
: The article as I see it doesn't touch on bus speeds because they don't matter. The Mac guy explained it pretty easily with how much faster a mac is. Now if you are concerned about the G4 against the 2.0 pentium check out this article http://www.apple.com/powermac/specs.html as it will show you that it blows away the PC's.
: Also Mac doesn't have to come out every hour with a new speeder chip because PC's never catch up to her.If the dual 1Gig is 300% faster that a 2 gig pentium Mac can wait quite a while before the pentium catches up. (The first Power Mac to blast through the 1GHz barrier, the new twin-engined G4 runs professional applications like Adobe Photoshop up to 72 percent faster � and crunches digital video over 300 percent faster � than a 2GHz Pentium 4-based PC.)
: 72% faster with Photoshop which of course was made first for the PC's but perfected for the Mac. Glued together version spare me...sure looks like the program works a heck of a lot better on a Mac...
: Just get your facts straight before launching an attack...
: A Mac Man all the way
: John
:

X-John
Imported Account

Mar 17, 2002, 9:01 PM

Post #8 of 11 (1394 views)
Shortcut

Yeah what ever [In reply to]	Can't Post

Denial Denial Denial...Final Cut Pro #3 real time or matrox you pick

X-Hank
Imported Account

Mar 17, 2002, 10:06 PM

Post #9 of 11 (1394 views)
Shortcut

Not MPEG2 [In reply to]	Can't Post

Now who has his facts?
They don't capture in MPEG2, first they capture then encode to MPEG2. I'm not talking simple realtime transitions or FX. I'm talking bringing it in as MPEG2. Simple realtime has been around for a longtime.
They also don't let you import MPEG2.
: Denial Denial Denial...Final Cut Pro #3 real time or matrox you pick

X-John
Imported Account

Mar 18, 2002, 12:47 AM

Post #10 of 11 (1394 views)
Shortcut

Re: You don't have the facts... [In reply to]	Can't Post

Dont accuse me of not having the facts...your the one who through out the glued together adobe stuff...I gave you the facts on how the mac beats the PC with adobe...you just can't except it...you started this debate with Aren't Mac processors behind the PC's??? and then went on to say can you update me on them because I dont know anything about them...so we do and prove you wrong and then you try to find something else that the regular mac doesn't have...face it we answered your initial question with the Mac is a faster processor...nothing else needs to be said..but I'm sure you'll some other obscure angle to come at..

X-Henry
Imported Account

Mar 18, 2002, 9:05 AM

Post #11 of 11 (1394 views)
Shortcut

I already agreed with you so why get upset? [In reply to]	Can't Post

Thank you AGAIN for giving me the update on MACs. This thread doesn't have to stop at the initial question. It's called building a conversion.
If you don't want to answer the follow on question then that's you choice but don't be upset for it (I guess that's your choice too).
Ultimatly it comes down to getting a mac or PC for our needs. This is why I am bringing up the other facts about an editing machine and why I choose a PC (generic term).
So what got you so upset so I know not to do it again in the future. Is it that you now realize how hardware determines the spd of rendering by eliminating it all together and you don't have it? Maybe you don't need it which in turn means you are missing out on a 95% profit (depending on what you charge the client) in DVD offering to the client.
It could be that you don't deal with MPEG2s anyway, but if you do plan on creating your own DVDs in the future keep what i said in mind (they all let you export to Mpeg2 but not import or capture as a Mpeg2 file). Because you loss profit if you have to wait for your computer to render your file to MPEG2 format and who wants that.
Did you meantion if you use a capture card or not?

: Dont accuse me of not having the facts...your the one who through out the glued together adobe stuff...I gave you the facts on how the mac beats the PC with adobe...you just can't except it...you started this debate with Aren't Mac processors behind the PC's??? and then went on to say can you update me on them because I dont know anything about them...so we do and prove you wrong and then you try to find something else that the regular mac doesn't have...face it we answered your initial question with the Mac is a faster processor...nothing else needs to be said..but I'm sure you'll some other obscure angle to come at..