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Printing to DV in Vegas

X-Guy_Thomas
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Jun 19, 2003, 3:56 PM

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I'm trying to copy some raw footage out to tape, so I can load up another project. The only problem is... it won't work. Typical.. geez.. Anyways, It runs nice and smooth in the preview window even at full resolution. But when I hook up the DV device and switch over to external monitor the signal flashes in and out.. Blue Screen, Video, Blue Screen, Video... So, I figure, maybe my Dual 2.4 athlon processors just can't process this data (yeah right), so I build the dynamic RAM preview and run that out to the external monitor.. still no good. There are absolutely no effects being applied to this video, so I really can't figure this one out. Anybody have any ideas?
thanks,
guy

X-Bear
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Jun 19, 2003, 4:58 PM

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I do it all the time. I edit in Vegas 4 the go to print to tape and send it to my DV camera. I use the DV Camera as a pass thhrough to the vhs recorder. I have never had a problem doing this.
: I'm trying to copy some raw footage out to tape, so I can load up another project. The only problem is... it won't work. Typical.. geez.. Anyways, It runs nice and smooth in the preview window even at full resolution. But when I hook up the DV device and switch over to external monitor the signal flashes in and out.. Blue Screen, Video, Blue Screen, Video... So, I figure, maybe my Dual 2.4 athlon processors just can't process this data (yeah right), so I build the dynamic RAM preview and run that out to the external monitor.. still no good. There are absolutely no effects being applied to this video, so I really can't figure this one out. Anybody have any ideas?
: thanks,
: guy

X-Cesar_Ruiz
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Jun 19, 2003, 5:00 PM

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Try using the vegas capture tool. It has a print to tape function.
Also make sure that your dv cam isn't set to AV->DV
That can block DV coming in. Happens to me all the
time.
-Cesar

X-Edward
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Jun 19, 2003, 5:02 PM

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How does it look on the tape? Does it do the same thing there or only on the pass-thru?
Have you tried sending the AVI to tape with the capture program?

: But when I hook up the DV device and switch over to external monitor the signal flashes in and out.. Blue Screen, Video, Blue Screen, Video...

X-TimPaw
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Jun 19, 2003, 5:04 PM

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double check your cables?

X-Chris
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Jun 19, 2003, 5:15 PM

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Check your deck.. my ds420 sony dvcam deck the firewire input was "loose" and needed to be replaced... once the connector was replaced the deck played with my avio and pc without a problem.

-chris

X-Guy_Thomas
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Jun 19, 2003, 5:29 PM

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: How does it look on the tape? Does it do the same thing there or only on the pass-thru?
Well, it either flips between blue and video.. or about once a second it will stutter and slightly zoom for one frame.. a real trip. I'd like to avoid having to use the capture program because this is for a raw footage delivery, and there is about 300 separate clips.
Does anybody think it could be the Firewire card?
guy

X-Keith
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Jun 19, 2003, 5:55 PM

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Make sure you are sending the signal out via Firewire through your camera or another DV to AV device. Vegas does not support an external monitor through a video card.
Keith

X-Guy_Thomas
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Jun 19, 2003, 6:30 PM

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For clarification.. I have tried both my Xl1S and GL2 cameras as the DV device.. I also have no problems capturing.
guy

X-Mike_C
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Jun 19, 2003, 6:50 PM

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I had a similar problem about a month or so ago, only with Premeire and my canopus RaptorRT. Worked fine simply playing from the timeline, and analogue output was fine. When I tried to output via firewire though, I got intermittant "blue screens" and disappearing video.
I troubleshot everything I could think of. Finally, I updated my virus definitions and did a scan. I found a virus. Once I removed the virus, and restored to a previous setting of my OS, I was able to output without a problem.
Might be worth a look.

: I'm trying to copy some raw footage out to tape, so I can load up another project. The only problem is... it won't work. Typical.. geez.. Anyways, It runs nice and smooth in the preview window even at full resolution. But when I hook up the DV device and switch over to external monitor the signal flashes in and out.. Blue Screen, Video, Blue Screen, Video... So, I figure, maybe my Dual 2.4 athlon processors just can't process this data (yeah right), so I build the dynamic RAM preview and run that out to the external monitor.. still no good. There are absolutely no effects being applied to this video, so I really can't figure this one out. Anybody have any ideas?
: thanks,
: guy

X-G
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Jun 19, 2003, 7:50 PM

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It might have something to do with your firewire card. I have built-in firewire on my mainboard, and it acts the same way. I did some searching, and I think I stumbled across a post on Creative Cow a while back from somebody who had been experiencing the same thing.
I don't remember the details of the answer, but I ended up getting mine to work one time. It had something to do with the drivers for the firewire. I think I had to disable something and then let the computer discover it was there again...probably not explaining this exactly right, but there was a pain of a workaround that I got to work once for me. I already had an ADS Pyro firewire card on the way, so I just installed that when it came in and didn't worry about the workaround any more.
This might be what's happening to you.
: I'm trying to copy some raw footage out to tape, so I can load up another project. The only problem is... it won't work. Typical.. geez.. Anyways, It runs nice and smooth in the preview window even at full resolution. But when I hook up the DV device and switch over to external monitor the signal flashes in and out.. Blue Screen, Video, Blue Screen, Video... So, I figure, maybe my Dual 2.4 athlon processors just can't process this data (yeah right), so I build the dynamic RAM preview and run that out to the external monitor.. still no good. There are absolutely no effects being applied to this video, so I really can't figure this one out. Anybody have any ideas?
: thanks,
: guy

X-Mark_Newman
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Jun 19, 2003, 8:30 PM

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Just to let you know, Ive never been to pleased with Vegas's print to tape function. Never worked right for me so I dont even try it anymore.
The preview through the firewire works ok.
I find it easist to just make a DVD then dub a tape from it. Obviously this isnt going to be a digital copy on a minidv tape but then again, I dont archive them anymore on dv.
If its something short, I will make a single avi out of it, then use the capture tools print to tape and that seems to work ok. But never got the print from timeline to work right.
Mark

X-Jimmy
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Jun 19, 2003, 8:41 PM

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: I'm trying to copy some raw footage out to tape, so I can load up another project. The only problem is... it won't work. Typical.. geez.. Anyways, It runs nice and smooth in the preview window even at full resolution. But when I hook up the DV device and switch over to external monitor the signal flashes in and out.. Blue Screen, Video, Blue Screen, Video... So, I figure, maybe my Dual 2.4 athlon processors just can't process this data (yeah right), so I build the dynamic RAM preview and run that out to the external monitor.. still no good. There are absolutely no effects being applied to this video, so I really can't figure this one out. Anybody have any ideas?
: thanks,
: guy
I have to do that and it fixes the problem...well at least for me.

X-Darriel
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Jun 19, 2003, 10:04 PM

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Quick questions. What is your DV device? Camera or interface? What is blue screening? The monitor or the camera LCD? Are you trying to capture back to DV tape?
Just to give you a little background on the "blue screen" phenomenon. When you don't have enough black setup in your video signal, your equipment will bluescreen. This is their default so you don't see the "snow" if a tv signal isn't present. The great thing about VV 4 is the built in vectorscope and waveform monitor. If you go out and try to buy these professional broadcast pieces of gear you will pay about 3K for a decent set! That is why VV 4 is soooo cool! We on the low end of the food chain can now produce broacast legal programming.
I digress.
Fire up the WFM (waveform Monitor) and see if you have what is called "crushed black" or crushed set up. I wish I had a screen shot of this!. Basically, on the WFM you should have a little line when the screen is black running across 7.5 IRE. This is your set up.
In the video fx I think there is a effect that will give the proper amount of set up so you won't blue screen. (i haven't upgraded yet!!)
That was the hard solution. The easy way and what I do is use the SVHS out on the camera and this alleviates that "no set-up, blue screen" problem. It is easier and there is no rendering!
One more thing, you can drag all of your clips to the timeline and use the print to DV option without going into the capture program. You DEFINITELY have enough processing horsepower!! It is not a CPU issue, I think it is a post CPU issue.
Hope this helps.
Darriel

X-Guy_Thomas
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Jun 19, 2003, 11:16 PM

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: Quick questions. What is your DV device? Camera or interface? What is blue screening? The monitor or the camera LCD? Are you trying to capture back to DV tape?
DV device is camera. Blue Screening is no signal present at DV device. On screen monitor is black (external enabled). Camera LCD is either Blue, or a video still. If I press play on Vegas I get a blue screen on the camera LCD... If I pause vegas, after a few seconds I get the still image displayed on my camera... I'm not to sure what the problem is here. I'm leaning towards my firewire card being faulty.
guy

X-Edward
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Jun 19, 2003, 11:49 PM

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: I'd like to avoid having to use the capture program because this is for a raw footage delivery, and there is about 300 separate clips.
Not if you render to a separate NEW AVI file.
: Does anybody think it could be the Firewire card?

YES it could be.

X-Guy_Thomas
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Jun 20, 2003, 2:08 AM

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I've decided to say "screw it".. I'm rendering the timeline to mpg, and burning a dvd.. It's just not worth the time anymore.
guy

X-Darriel
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Jun 20, 2003, 2:34 AM

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Try dragging in mass the clips you want to back up to the timeline, without any cross dissolves or space between the clips. Then go to Tools option and click on Print to DV tape and see if you have the same problem printing to tape. If you do, then your suspicions are probably correct since you are experiencing this on two seperate cameras. Disengage the preview to external monitor option as you shouldn't really need it. Let me know how you make out. Good luck and hope this helps.
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