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Quinceanera - April 19, 2008

 

 


robcg
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Apr 24, 2008, 3:02 PM

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I don't see many of these here. Thought I'd share a Quinceanera video we did last week:

Quinceanera video.

i'm shooting with a V1. i bump up the gain when needed but do some of the shots still look too dark? if so, what's the best procedure to color correct in post using FCP2 - (i don't want to delve into "Color" right now.)
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MLiebergot
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Apr 24, 2008, 3:28 PM

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First off, if you didn't do any color correction on any of these clips, then I must say that you did a great job of white balancing earlier in the clip.

As for color correction and levels in FCP, use the 3-Way Color Corrector in your effects tab.
Make sure that you use your scopes to make sure that you are properly exposed.

Then, open 3-Way CC in FCP
When you open the 3-Way CC in FCP you will notice 3 wheels with adjustment bars under each of them, and another for saturation.
When viewing my instructions I will be explaining from Right to Left

1. Whites: The 1st wheel, use eyedropper to select something white to set white levels
2. Mids: The 2nd (middle) wheel, use eyedropper to select something 50% grey to set mid levels
3. Blacks: The 3rd wheel, use eyedropper to select something black to set black levels
4. Then by clicking slider below, watch your scopes and increase or decrease your black levels, should drop blacks to around 0
5. Next set your whites and watch to make sure you don't clip (hit shift z on your keyboard, which will bring up a green check if levels are good or yellow warning sign if your levels aren't legal).
6. Next adjust your mids to brighten the picture up more
7. Adjust saturation, increase or decrease to pop the image as you like.

Tweak accordingly as desired until you get teh image you want.

Hope this helped.

Michael

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Kenneth
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Apr 24, 2008, 3:47 PM

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Video looks great.

Michael's CC guideline are very good. Here's just a few tips from personal experience:

I really don't worry about the mids. Finding a 50% gray can be hard to do an very subjective.

When selecting your absolute white make sure you don't select something that is blown out by sunlight reflection or candlelight.

Each camera is different so you don't have to adjust highs, mids, and lows. I know with my Sony FX1's I never rais the whites except in some low light situations. I usually like to raise just the mids, which makes the skin tones pop a little more.

I will also lower the blacks which will make the mids and whites pop more, but also seems to give the image some depth. A small side effect to this is I also think it improves my final image when compressing. by crushing the blacks it leaves more of the bit rate to concentrate on the is visible.

I usually over-saturate slightly. I think it makes it more movie-like because I think they over-saturate in movies as well. I think your video could use just a few extra notches on the saturation.
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MLiebergot
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Apr 24, 2008, 4:19 PM

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Re: [Kenneth] Quinceanera - April 19, 2008 [In reply to] Can't Post

Good advice Kenny.
I forgot to mention about no selecting something blown out.

I generally always try to select some kind of grey in my clip, because this is where I find my color depth comes from (reds or yellows), especially in skin tones.

When looking at color saturation, a good tip that I picked up from one of Larry Jordan's tutorials, was to crop the image around the face. Since the face is isolated, you have a better chance of adjusting your color saturation for the skin tone line in your scope. Which in turn really helps color correct a of of the image levels properly. If your skin tone is correct, then most likely the color in your image will be as well.

I generally find myself lowering the highs rather than boosting them. Always crush blacks, and pump up saturation a bit. As I agree it gives your image a nice bit of added depth.

Michael

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Kenneth
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Apr 24, 2008, 4:23 PM

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I'm ashamed to admit that I don't use the scopes. I probably should. I generally just adjust to skin tones when it comes to saturation. I will get what I think is natural and then jack it up slightly. I like to give my subjects a little healthy glow on their faces, even if it wasn't there to begin with.
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babu
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Apr 24, 2008, 10:22 PM

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Hey there,
You did a very good job with this quinceanera. You are right as there aren't many posts of these events here. I film quinceaneras full time and they are quite fun as you have probably experienced. I agree with your conclusion that some of your clips were rather dark and actually had excessive noise to them. I noticed you went over 12db gain. I recognize the type of noise as I had the FX7 which is very similar minus the pro features and the progressive scans. How come you didn't use a light? These are the events where they don't care what type of light you use during the reception as long as the scene is lit decently. Was this a mexican quinceanera? I ask cause there were only chambelans and they are the ones that do chambelans only typical. Thanks for sharing

Monday







See you guys later. Much love


Timothy Harry
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Apr 25, 2008, 6:22 AM

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First off, if you didn't do any color correction on any of these clips, then I must say that you did a great job of white balancing earlier in the clip.

As for color correction and levels in FCP, use the 3-Way Color Corrector in your effects tab.
Make sure that you use your scopes to make sure that you are properly exposed.

Then, open 3-Way CC in FCP
When you open the 3-Way CC in FCP you will notice 3 wheels with adjustment bars under each of them, and another for saturation.
When viewing my instructions I will be explaining from Right to Left

1. Whites: The 1st wheel, use eyedropper to select something white to set white levels
2. Mids: The 2nd (middle) wheel, use eyedropper to select something 50% grey to set mid levels
3. Blacks: The 3rd wheel, use eyedropper to select something black to set black levels
4. Then by clicking slider below, watch your scopes and increase or decrease your black levels, should drop blacks to around 0
5. Next set your whites and watch to make sure you don't clip (hit shift z on your keyboard, which will bring up a green check if levels are good or yellow warning sign if your levels aren't legal).
6. Next adjust your mids to brighten the picture up more
7. Adjust saturation, increase or decrease to pop the image as you like.

Tweak accordingly as desired until you get teh image you want.

Hope this helped.


one other trick to keep from clipping the whites in an environment where you have to clip in order to get a detail out of the shot is to use the broadcast safe filter. I normally drop that on the entire sequence before export. It will clip anything above 110 IRE to 110IRE on the scope, making the footage closer to broadcast legal. you can also change the settings of the clip to make it clip at whatever you want, but normally 110 works just fine.

Also keep in mind that an inherent problem with the 3 way CC is that it kills out some of the clips saturation. It is a documented issue with the filter, but you can get around it in 2 ways. One way is to obviously boost the saturation, the other is to use it only when the color balance is off. I normally do not use the 3 way color corrector to correct levels. Instead, I use the normal color corrector that does not have that problem.

Tim Harry

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Odessa, TX

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(This post was edited by Timothy Harry on Apr 25, 2008, 6:25 AM)


robcg
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Apr 25, 2008, 2:12 PM

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thanks for the tip guys. i have to admit that i don't do as much color correction as i should.

babu, where are you located? i used a light during the reception - i didn't include any of those clips in the video. yes, it was a mexican quinceanera.
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babu
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Apr 25, 2008, 4:46 PM

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I'm in Baltimore MD.







See you guys later. Much love


LKvideo
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Apr 25, 2008, 6:37 PM

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 Very nicely composed and edited video. Where you using the Glidecam on a V1?
Lou K
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LKvideo
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Apr 25, 2008, 6:39 PM

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 Very nicely done!! Did you use a glidecam with a Sony V1?
Lou K
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robcg
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Apr 25, 2008, 9:39 PM

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thanks. yeah i used a glidecam.
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