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X-Crystal
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Apr 28, 2003, 9:33 PM

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I had a request that said this:
We would like for you to send us a demo!

You can send it to:
(his address here)
I then emailed him and asked his date and other information (phone and where they are getting married because we travel a lot for weddings).
He emailed back and said:
This is for a friend that has not set a date yet. I am just gathering info for them.
I emailed him back and said that I would be glad to send a demo once the date is set and we confirm we are not already booked. Until then I have some samples online and package information as well.
He got very upset and wrote me a VERY nasty letter.
Am I wrong to think this whole thing sounds like a scam?
I just don't like sending demos out when the date is not set as I have had bride and grooms upset when later they found out I was already booked for their date.
What would you do?
Crystal


X-Steve_Bailey
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Apr 28, 2003, 10:33 PM

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I agree, something sounds fishy. I think you can solve this positvely by simply following what sounds like your gut instinct. Just tell them that sending a demo of your work doesn't do much good if you aren't available on the date they choose.
Even though I'm relatively new in this business, I know enough to trust my gut. If you are skeptical about this then you are probably right. Just make sure the words you use to respond are positive. Besides, if you respond in a professional manner and they stoop to a nasty response, it's probably not someone you want to be doing business with anyway.
My two cents.
Steve

: I had a request that said this:
: We would like for you to send us a demo!
:
: You can send it to:
: (his address here)
: I then emailed him and asked his date and other information (phone and where they are getting married because we travel a lot for weddings).
: He emailed back and said:
: This is for a friend that has not set a date yet. I am just gathering info for them.
: I emailed him back and said that I would be glad to send a demo once the date is set and we confirm we are not already booked. Until then I have some samples online and package information as well.
: He got very upset and wrote me a VERY nasty letter.
: Am I wrong to think this whole thing sounds like a scam?
: I just don't like sending demos out when the date is not set as I have had bride and grooms upset when later they found out I was already booked for their date.
: What would you do?
: Crystal


X-Joel_Peregrine
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Apr 28, 2003, 10:37 PM

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Hi Crystal,
Ditto what Steve said. If they were nasty in response to your polite explanation then you're better off avoiding them. If you were being checked out by a competitor then no harm done. Any respectable competitor you would want to network with would have let you know who they were up front...
Joel

: I had a request that said this:
: We would like for you to send us a demo!
:
: You can send it to:
: (his address here)
: I then emailed him and asked his date and other information (phone and where they are getting married because we travel a lot for weddings).
: He emailed back and said:
: This is for a friend that has not set a date yet. I am just gathering info for them.
: I emailed him back and said that I would be glad to send a demo once the date is set and we confirm we are not already booked. Until then I have some samples online and package information as well.
: He got very upset and wrote me a VERY nasty letter.
: Am I wrong to think this whole thing sounds like a scam?
: I just don't like sending demos out when the date is not set as I have had bride and grooms upset when later they found out I was already booked for their date.
: What would you do?
: Crystal


X-Bill_Mitchell
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Apr 28, 2003, 10:41 PM

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Hi Crystal,
You did exactly the right thing.
I just got the same type of email request a couple of days ago and gave the same response. Did he want you to send a demo AND a full length wedding to Alabama?
Here's the email I got:
Hello~

My fiancee and I are getting married in 2004 in your area, and we will be needing a top-quality videographer to capture it for us. We have
visited your website and have determined that your top package will be what we aim for. However, I would like for you to send me a
copy of a recent wedding that you have done, in it's entirety, and a wedding demo to showcase to me different weddings and different
looks.
I am in Alabama right now, so if you could send it to the address below it would be a big help.

Sincerely,

D.R. B****
14 K****** Street
Springville, Alabama 35146
Anyone wanting a demo when there is no date or venue gets a polite response from me. I tell them that due to the volume of requests that I get , and the expense of making and sending DVDs, they must have a date booked at one venue. This allows me to verify it if I'm suspicious.
His response to me was that the request was sent in error. Definitely smells like a scam. And even if it's not, I may already be booked on the date they will eventually choose.
We have to draw the line somewhere. I would rather not send out demos at all, but I do get several out-of-town clients this way.
Regards,
Bill Mitchell

: I had a request that said this:
: We would like for you to send us a demo!
:
: You can send it to:
: (his address here)
: I then emailed him and asked his date and other information (phone and where they are getting married because we travel a lot for weddings).
: He emailed back and said:
: This is for a friend that has not set a date yet. I am just gathering info for them.
: I emailed him back and said that I would be glad to send a demo once the date is set and we confirm we are not already booked. Until then I have some samples online and package information as well.
: He got very upset and wrote me a VERY nasty letter.
: Am I wrong to think this whole thing sounds like a scam?
: I just don't like sending demos out when the date is not set as I have had bride and grooms upset when later they found out I was already booked for their date.
: What would you do?
: Crystal


X-Crystal
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Apr 28, 2003, 10:59 PM

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: Hi Crystal,

: I just got the same type of email request a couple of days ago and gave the same response. Did he want you to send a demo AND a full length wedding to Alabama?
My guy was here in Wichita but the address was a PO BOX with his first name and last initial only. (Dork has his full name as his email address though so I know his name).
(BTW his nasty letter said among other things that I probably don't get much business because I won't send a demo to a friend of a groom who does not know when he is getting married)
Here was my respone:
I'm sorry you feel that way. We get a lot of business. Bride and Grooms usually appreciate that I do not waste their time sending them information. It usually upsets them if I send all my information only for them to later find out that I am booked and can not do their wedding. That is why we post samples on our website and have a "Check Your Date" function on our website.
Good luck


X-Joel_Peregrine
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Apr 28, 2003, 11:15 PM

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Hi Bill,
I don't know how it happened, but my website is getting hits and demo requests from the strangest places. I have a file in Outlook called Demos to the World that I throw bizarre demo requests into. There's dozens of requests from Turkey, Israel, Russia, Pakistan, Ukraine, someplace called Tumenskaya, Algeria - many more. They always are very polite. My favorite comment received was "I found your page by walking in the internet." I reply but have yet to get a response to the original request. It's fun to think about what these people think of the US after viewing a few wedding demos...
Joel


X-Ed_Kinnear
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Apr 29, 2003, 12:10 AM

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This guy has been sending emails to everyone. Members at WEVA tracked him down. His response was they were sent by mistake.
Take a look, others have sent him emails:
http://www.cahabamoon.com/

ED


X-Chris_Randall
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Apr 29, 2003, 12:11 AM

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: I had a request that said this:
: We would like for you to send us a demo!
:
: You can send it to:
: (his address here)
: I then emailed him and asked his date and other information (phone and where they are getting married because we travel a lot for weddings).
: He emailed back and said:
: This is for a friend that has not set a date yet. I am just gathering info for them.
: I emailed him back and said that I would be glad to send a demo once the date is set and we confirm we are not already booked. Until then I have some samples online and package information as well.
: He got very upset and wrote me a VERY nasty letter.
: Am I wrong to think this whole thing sounds like a scam?
: I just don't like sending demos out when the date is not set as I have had bride and grooms upset when later they found out I was already booked for their date.
: What would you do?
: Crystal

There have been 40 or more members from Weva assoc. including myself that recieved this E-mail. I wrote back and told the guy that I was on to him, and that I hope he doesn't have the guts to use any of the footage he gets as his own. He wrote back something about his huge E-mail server got a virus and somehow sent out the email in error. My question is how did his E-mail server automatically collect all of our Emails??
This was a total scam. He was just trying to collect videos to pack his demo.


X-Ed_Kinnear
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Apr 29, 2003, 12:26 AM

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His response:
The e-mail that you recieved is not a valid e-mail. It was mistakenly sent to some e-mails on our bulk list of contacts that we have on our huge server. We believe our files were corrupted by a virus. We are correcting the problem, and we apologize for any inconvenience. We are also contacting anyone that received the maverick e-mail in error, and will certainly return any demos that we get back to their respectful owners.
We appreciate your effort in contacting us and notifying us of a problem. However, you are blatantly wrong in assuming that this uncontrollable action was malicious, or frought with notions of 'stealing' work. That I am afraid, is preposterous and is absolutely not true. We stand by our work and have a bevy of clientele to prove it.


: This guy has been sending emails to everyone. Members at WEVA tracked him down. His response was they were sent by mistake.
: Take a look, others have sent him emails:
: http://www.cahabamoon.com/
:
: ED


X-dave_z
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Apr 29, 2003, 5:21 AM

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Ok, lets say that he gives you a date and you are available......
WOuld you send it then??
Who is to say he wouldnt just give you any date???
There is really no way to know who is legitimately asking for your services versus who is "scoping" the scene.....
Point is, your demo is your demo......getting it out there is what you want to do, right?? Just like in any form of advertising (and this IS what it is: advertising) if you get a 10% hit rate you are considered successful....
Send it out on VHS via an inexpensive method (media mail) and write of the expense on your taxes..... :)
I send out a VHS with my company watermark all over it to thwart potential theft..........
Its a shame that we have to worry about this sort of thing, eh?? I sent out a demo a while back to one guy who now I am sure was only looking to see what the rest of the inudtry was doing.....I naively sent a DVD without watermarking...........Never again. But on the other hand, you never know when that person asking for the demo is legit..........
DZ
: I had a request that said this:
: We would like for you to send us a demo!
:
: You can send it to:
: (his address here)
: I then emailed him and asked his date and other information (phone and where they are getting married because we travel a lot for weddings).
: He emailed back and said:
: This is for a friend that has not set a date yet. I am just gathering info for them.
: I emailed him back and said that I would be glad to send a demo once the date is set and we confirm we are not already booked. Until then I have some samples online and package information as well.
: He got very upset and wrote me a VERY nasty letter.
: Am I wrong to think this whole thing sounds like a scam?
: I just don't like sending demos out when the date is not set as I have had bride and grooms upset when later they found out I was already booked for their date.
: What would you do?
: Crystal


X-Brian_M
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Apr 29, 2003, 6:18 AM

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We've had 2 people contact us (who we knew) collecting info for a friend. In this case, the couple was hoping since we knew their friends and not necessarily the couple themselves that they'd get some kind of discount. I politely advised the callers to have the actual bride and groom call us.
In your case...sounds like another "professional" fishing for package info for personal use. You handled it fine. He shouldn't have taken offense to how you responded.
Another thing we say is: We have a contract out for that date but haven't received a deposit yet and they have 2 weeks to do so. Would you like to schedule an appointment 2 weeks from now to look at our work?
We hate mailing demos because they keep them and this bothers us because if they hire us, they now have that demo to compare their wedding to. We try to use the same editing style and consistancy but every situation is different. Lighting, acoustics, guests, photographer, officient, reception hall, DJ.
We've yet to do 1 wedding we're everything was flawless (according to our standards). If one thing on their wedding doesn't match up to the way it is on the demo, it could lead to negative feelings about the job we did. If they have nothing to compare it to, I'm sure they'd just be completely satisfied and feel good about the entire video.
brian M
Video by Moak


X-Brian_M
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Apr 29, 2003, 6:30 AM

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Based on his response to Crystal (if it is fact the same guy)
Doesn't sound like any mistake. Did this 'virus' also mistakingly get angry with Crystal when she asked for more info from him?
Pretty intelligent "Computer Virus"...we should all be very afraid if a virus is now talking back to us! (-:
Brian M
Video by Moak


X-Scott
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Apr 29, 2003, 7:51 AM

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How do you do this? I am using DVD studio pro, and would love to watermark the stuff.


X-Judy_Handley
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Apr 29, 2003, 10:47 AM

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It baffles me why people do this. When I was getting started and wanted to see some demo's - I just told people up front that I was getting into the business, and asked if I could "buy" a demo. Some said no, some sold me a demo, and some sent me one for free. I've never been comfortable with pretending and being sneaky.
Now, there are so many demo's on the internet - and usually, it's peoples best work. That I just surf and see plenty. Although, if anyone here would like to send me their demo - - I'd gladly accept it! :)
Judy
: I had a request that said this:
: We would like for you to send us a demo!
:
: You can send it to:
: (his address here)
: I then emailed him and asked his date and other information (phone and where they are getting married because we travel a lot for weddings).
: He emailed back and said:
: This is for a friend that has not set a date yet. I am just gathering info for them.
: I emailed him back and said that I would be glad to send a demo once the date is set and we confirm we are not already booked. Until then I have some samples online and package information as well.
: He got very upset and wrote me a VERY nasty letter.
: Am I wrong to think this whole thing sounds like a scam?
: I just don't like sending demos out when the date is not set as I have had bride and grooms upset when later they found out I was already booked for their date.
: What would you do?
: Crystal


X-Crystal
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Apr 29, 2003, 11:18 AM

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: Ok, lets say that he gives you a date and you are available......
: WOuld you send it then??
Yes I would
: Who is to say he wouldnt just give you any date???
No one, but the fact that he was so offended tells me there is something wrong with this picture. (Also the PO BOX with no last name).
: There is really no way to know who is legitimately asking for your services versus who is "scoping" the scene.....
True. But if he is legit do I really want his business after the way he treated me when I told him (politely) to have the groom and bride contact me when they set a date.
: Point is, your demo is your demo......getting it out there is what you want to do, right??
No not really. I want my demo falling into the right hands. Not just any hands.
:Just like in any form of advertising (and this IS what it is: advertising) if you get a 10% hit rate you are considered successful....
True but just like any form of advertising demographics mean A LOT! If this person is the "friend of the groom" (which I have had friend's of grooms call that knew me but not strangers) then he is not the demographic I am looking for. I am looking for brides and grooms not their friends. Parents are okay too if they are paying ;)
: Send it out on VHS via an inexpensive method (media mail) and write of the expense on your taxes..... :)
I won't get that much off on my taxes to justify the expense. I look for customers more than tax right-offs
: I send out a VHS with my company watermark all over it to thwart potential theft..........
Cool. But, who's to say this guy won't just say he is SECRET AGENT VIDEO?
: Its a shame that we have to worry about this sort of thing, eh?? I sent out a demo a while back to one guy who now I am sure was only looking to see what the rest of the inudtry was doing.....
I don't care if he wants to look, then call me like everyone else here in the business has done and introduce yourself. I will be happy to swap demos with you, invite you to this forum and even meet with you. But something is fishy about this guy. I have to go with what the rest have said and go with my gut feeling. :)
Crystal


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Apr 29, 2003, 11:54 AM

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I exactly received the email from this guy. But a day later he wrote me again to say:
"Please disregard a demo request to be sent to an Alabama address. It was sent in error. If you have sent one , it will be returned promptly."
So I didn't bother emailing a response. If he didn't send me another email, I would have responded to his first email with these big words in uppercase:
YEAH RIGHT!!!
Kiwi


X-Bill_Mitchell
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Apr 29, 2003, 1:20 PM

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That's why I ask them for a date AND a location before sending a demo. That way you can verify their reservation at the venue if you are suspicious.

: Ok, lets say that he gives you a date and you are available......
: WOuld you send it then??
: Who is to say he wouldnt just give you any date???



X-Marshall
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Apr 29, 2003, 2:43 PM

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"I've never been comfortable with pretending and being sneaky."
Like all of us here, Judy. But there are a whole bunch of unscrupulous (sp?) people out there who will stoop to such low behavior that we all must be wary of them.
Marshall


X-Dave_Z
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Apr 29, 2003, 3:32 PM

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Hey, no arguments here...all your points are good ones....
But I guess it depends, too, on how many of these types you send out to......If you waste $.75for a tape and another $1.50 for shipping, it still is just $2.25...if there is any possibility that there might be some yield from that, I dunno that it is such a big deal......
A lot of folks spend a lot more on that on yellow page ads that never get read. :)
In my opinion, EVERY tax deduction (big or tiny) is worthwhile...it all adds up...
There was no call for him to get as rude as you say he did, but then again, if he had legitimate queries he may have felt offended because he is basically asking for your info to make a sale...in today's world where everything is out there for the world to see, he may have seen YOUR comments as trying to get "the money people" on the phone simply to try to pressure them versus work thru him...see what I mean??
Hey, he very well could have been a phoney....I just sent a demo out to someone whom I don't know from Adam, asking for subcontractors for editing.....could be a fake or a legit person looking for help......Point is,I dont really know unless I take the (small) gamble....if it pans out, I may gain a client. If not, I lose $2.25...no big deal. And my demo is watermarked to make it more ifficult to ....ahem...borrow.
But like I said...I agree and see your concerns....
DZ
: : Ok, lets say that he gives you a date and you are available......
: : WOuld you send it then??
: Yes I would
: : Who is to say he wouldnt just give you any date???
: No one, but the fact that he was so offended tells me there is something wrong with this picture. (Also the PO BOX with no last name).
: : There is really no way to know who is legitimately asking for your services versus who is "scoping" the scene.....
: True. But if he is legit do I really want his business after the way he treated me when I told him (politely) to have the groom and bride contact me when they set a date.
: : Point is, your demo is your demo......getting it out there is what you want to do, right??
: No not really. I want my demo falling into the right hands. Not just any hands.
: :Just like in any form of advertising (and this IS what it is: advertising) if you get a 10% hit rate you are considered successful....
: True but just like any form of advertising demographics mean A LOT! If this person is the "friend of the groom" (which I have had friend's of grooms call that knew me but not strangers) then he is not the demographic I am looking for. I am looking for brides and grooms not their friends. Parents are okay too if they are paying ;)
: : Send it out on VHS via an inexpensive method (media mail) and write of the expense on your taxes..... :)
: I won't get that much off on my taxes to justify the expense. I look for customers more than tax right-offs
: : I send out a VHS with my company watermark all over it to thwart potential theft..........
: Cool. But, who's to say this guy won't just say he is SECRET AGENT VIDEO?
: : Its a shame that we have to worry about this sort of thing, eh?? I sent out a demo a while back to one guy who now I am sure was only looking to see what the rest of the inudtry was doing.....
: I don't care if he wants to look, then call me like everyone else here in the business has done and introduce yourself. I will be happy to swap demos with you, invite you to this forum and even meet with you. But something is fishy about this guy. I have to go with what the rest have said and go with my gut feeling. :)
: Crystal


X-judy_w
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Apr 29, 2003, 8:32 PM

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wrigley. has a demo on this called the bug (lower third).
judy w.

: How do you do this? I am using DVD studio pro, and would love to watermark the stuff.