VideoUniversity.com
Home Free Library Store
Free Catalog

Please support VU by making your B&H purchases and links through this B&H ad. Doesn't cost a penny more. <a href="http://www.bhphotovideo.com?BI=603&KBID=1017"><IMG src="/images/flash_ads/videoUniv2_revised_conv.jpg" alt="B&H Photo" width="260" height="70"></a>
Video University Sponsor
Advertisement

Giving Thanks to All.
A little thanksgiving humor.

To post in the forums see the Forum Guidelines.

Join or Renew Today.
New Benefits for all VU Members
Forum Guidelines and FAQ
Main Index Search Posts
Who's Online Log In


Home: Video University Forums: Wedding & Event Videography:
Steadytracker?

 

 


X-Mark
Imported Account

Nov 8, 2002, 2:20 AM

Post #1 of 24 (2682 views)
Shortcut
Steadytracker? Can't Post

I'm thinking of getting a Steadytracker. Has anyone had any experience with it?
Mark Coates
Mark-It Creations


X-Coleman
Imported Account

Nov 8, 2002, 6:28 AM

Post #2 of 24 (2681 views)
Shortcut
Re: Steadytracker? Can't Post

Don't bother with this product. I have the Steady Tracker extreme and it sucks! It does a very poor job of stabilizing the image. I have been very dissatisfied.
Coleman


X-Dave_Bonner
Imported Account

Nov 8, 2002, 6:44 AM

Post #3 of 24 (2681 views)
Shortcut
Re: Steadytracker? [In reply to] Can't Post

can you elaborate?
Whats the main issues..I spoke to someone who said it was easy to use and did a great job ?
Have you used steady cam jr or glidecam ?
Thanks
Dave


X-Tom
Imported Account

Nov 8, 2002, 7:53 AM

Post #4 of 24 (2681 views)
Shortcut
Re: Steadytracker? [In reply to] Can't Post

: Don't bother with this product. I have the Steady Tracker extreme and it sucks! It does a very poor job of stabilizing the image. I have been very dissatisfied.
: Coleman
I have worked with a Steadytracker (and a few other), there is a learning curve with any of them. You need to keep your knees bent when walking with one. The results are very good, once you learn how to use it. No, the results won't be like a full blown Steadicam rig, but then again you are not paying the same price for a full blown Steadicam rig. Tom


X-Steven_Hacker
Imported Account

Nov 8, 2002, 10:23 AM

Post #5 of 24 (2681 views)
Shortcut
Re: Steadytracker? [In reply to] Can't Post

I have the SteadyTracker Extreme as well and there definately is a learning curve. Balancing your camera is critical, in every respect. Front to back, side to side. As for smooth moves, you can achieve them with practice.
This unit does not suck. For $250, it is well worth the money.


X-Mark
Imported Account

Nov 8, 2002, 11:03 AM

Post #6 of 24 (2681 views)
Shortcut
Re: Steadytracker? [In reply to] Can't Post

Do you have to balance the camera every time you use it? Can you fit a quick release bracket to it?

: I have the SteadyTracker Extreme as well and there definately is a learning curve. Balancing your camera is critical, in every respect. Front to back, side to side. As for smooth moves, you can achieve them with practice.
: This unit does not suck. For $250, it is well worth the money.


X-Steven_Hacker
Imported Account

Nov 8, 2002, 11:29 AM

Post #7 of 24 (2681 views)
Shortcut
Re: Steadytracker? [In reply to] Can't Post

With regular use, you should not have to balance the SteadyTracker side to side each time, just front to back, unless you mark the mount and put it in exactly the same spot. In any event, it is a quick procedure.


X-Gene
Imported Account

Nov 8, 2002, 11:34 AM

Post #8 of 24 (2681 views)
Shortcut
Re: Steadytracker? [In reply to] Can't Post

I also have the Steady Tracker Extreme and for the Money it really satisfied my needs. The main hump I had to over come is the side to side or Yaw (pilot lingo) of the camera. It seems to be great at up and down or roll moves but when rotating right or left it tends to oscillate. There is a learning curve, but again $250.00 verses 1k. However, I have heard discussion here of a $299.00 model of the Glidecam Jr or some other model?
I fly my Gl1 with Azden SGM-2x & Beachtech audio adapter.
Once you've found the sweet spot for the balance you can make marks on the platforms for quick set up.
I bought the Extreme model cause it could handle the Xl1 also but it's heavy with that boy on it, so I've only done production work with the GL.



X-Ty_Reynolds
Imported Account

Nov 8, 2002, 12:01 PM

Post #9 of 24 (2682 views)
Shortcut
Re: Steadytracker? [In reply to] Can't Post

: The main hump I had to over come is the side to side or Yaw (pilot lingo) of the camera. It seems to be great at up and down or roll moves but when rotating right or left it tends to oscillate.
Do you have the camera's stabilizer function on? I don't have the Steadytracker, but I've noticed that even on a tripod a pan is not as smooth as it should be if the stabilizer is on. It seems to fight the panning movement.
Ty Reynolds


X-Eric_Noble
Imported Account

Nov 8, 2002, 12:07 PM

Post #10 of 24 (2681 views)
Shortcut
Re: Coleman ~ learn how to use it before dissing it [In reply to] Can't Post

Coleman the ST works like any other product. You have to learn how to use it and then practice. When you buy a new NLE are you instantly a master editor?? What about a new camera? Do you instantly know all the controls??
This product (for the price) works great and allows you to get shots that you never could before. My prices went up a lot more than the cost of the ST because of this product!
It takes about a minute to balance a camera. I use a quick connect plate with mine. It's works great everytime.
Coleman, what specific problems are you having? I'm sure somebody here can help you...
Eric Noble


X-Eric
Imported Account

Nov 8, 2002, 12:10 PM

Post #11 of 24 (2681 views)
Shortcut
Re: Mark ~ it works great with quick release [In reply to] Can't Post

: It takes about a minute to balance a camera. I use a quick connect plate with mine. It's works great everytime.
Hi Mark,
I meant to say with quick release. I don't have to balance it at all after intital setup. Just slide the camera on and it's ready to go.
Without a QR plate it only takes about a minute to set it up.
Eric


X-Gene
Imported Account

Nov 8, 2002, 1:35 PM

Post #12 of 24 (2681 views)
Shortcut
Re: Steadytracker? [In reply to] Can't Post

I'll try some moves with the stabilizer off as you suggest. The oscillations are caused more by my loose grip style of holding. With the fingers open a bit more like a claw. To fix I have just tightened my grip a bit with the pinky and 3rd finger trying not to grip too tight and shake the darn thing.
It's all in the technique. However as others have since stated, the Tracker IS worth the money and will step up any hand holder.


X-Mark_
Imported Account

Nov 8, 2002, 2:01 PM

Post #13 of 24 (2681 views)
Shortcut
Re: Mark ~ it works great with quick release [In reply to] Can't Post

Thanks Eric,
I appreciate everyone's advice. I'm going to take the plunge and buy one as a Christmas pressie for myself :) I know Dave Bonner is interested as well so it's helped the two of us out.
Mark Coates
Mark-It Creations
: : It takes about a minute to balance a camera. I use a quick connect plate with mine. It's works great everytime.
: Hi Mark,
: I meant to say with quick release. I don't have to balance it at all after intital setup. Just slide the camera on and it's ready to go.
: Without a QR plate it only takes about a minute to set it up.
: Eric



X-Kiwi_Sheep
Imported Account

Nov 8, 2002, 3:03 PM

Post #14 of 24 (2681 views)
Shortcut
Re: Steadytracker? [In reply to] Can't Post

Mark,
Get a decent stabilizer. This one does not have a mechanical gimbal. I looked at the product and it seems it uses your hand as the gimbal. Well if your hand is as even and smooth as a ball bearing then this product might work. How do you pan your camera on this thing? Do you use your wrist to do the panning? If you do that, it will create some shake and unevenness.
Have you investigated the Steadicam JR? I have this one and I'm really happy with it. The camera sits on a mechanical gimbal which ensures the balance and panning in a consistent way. Can your hand do that consistently?
Although, the steadicam JR is $400 more... you get what you pay for.
Just my 2 cents.
: I'm thinking of getting a Steadytracker. Has anyone had any experience with it?
: Mark Coates
: Mark-It Creations


X-G
Imported Account

Nov 8, 2002, 4:01 PM

Post #15 of 24 (2681 views)
Shortcut
Re: Glidecam [In reply to] Can't Post

Dave, I have the Glidecam 1000 Pro (before they came out with the 2000 Pro) and arm brace, and I also have the Glidecam V-8. My experience is that the 1000 Pro put a lot of torque on my wrist due to the offset handle. Using the arm brace with it takes care of the wrist torque, but there is still a lot of weight on the end of my arm. I found myself thinking more about when I could set it back down than how long of a steady shot I could attempt. And this was only with a TRV310.
These days I shoot a VX2000 on a V-8. The shots are much steadier than anything I ever got with the TRV310 on a 1000 Pro.
It has been mentioned by others, but I cannot emphasize enough how these contraptions are not the instant key to achieving steady moving shots. Practice, practice, and more practice are essential to getting results you will be happy with. That goes for any stabilizer on the market.
: can you elaborate?
: Whats the main issues..I spoke to someone who said it was easy to use and did a great job ?
: Have you used steady cam jr or glidecam ?
: Thanks
: Dave


X-Dave_Bonner
Imported Account

Nov 8, 2002, 4:35 PM

Post #16 of 24 (2681 views)
Shortcut
Re: Glidecam [In reply to] Can't Post

thx
kinda like who a tripod alone doesnt make the image steady if the user doesnt use it right
Thx for all the feedback on this



X-G
Imported Account

Nov 8, 2002, 4:41 PM

Post #17 of 24 (2681 views)
Shortcut
Re: Glidecam [In reply to] Can't Post

Boy, that statement hit home! I shoot a marching band in the fall (pro bono work), and my assistant (furnished by the band) seems to have forgotten how to use a fluid head tripod between last year and now.
Keep your videos coming, Dave, I sure enjoy watching them :).
: thx
: kinda like who a tripod alone doesnt make the image steady if the user doesnt use it right
: Thx for all the feedback on this



X-Kiwi_Sheep
Imported Account

Nov 8, 2002, 5:09 PM

Post #18 of 24 (2681 views)
Shortcut
Did you use a V-8 in a wedding? [In reply to] Can't Post

I'm also thinking of getting a V-8 for my XL1s. But I'm afraid that I may draw more attention from the people in the ceremony than the bride. Imagine, all their eyes are on you and they don't look at the bride anymore.
So I got a Steadicam JR instead and that works really great - handheld, small and not an attention getter. Although, from time to time, people are looking and wondering what kind of alien device I'm using.



X-Coleman
Imported Account

Nov 8, 2002, 5:36 PM

Post #19 of 24 (2681 views)
Shortcut
Re: Did you use a V-8 in a wedding? [In reply to] Can't Post

How long does it take to get it balanced? How much time do you use it during the ceremony and for what parts?
Coleman


X-Martin
Imported Account

Nov 8, 2002, 6:21 PM

Post #20 of 24 (2681 views)
Shortcut
V-8 at a wedding [In reply to] Can't Post

When I first got my V-8 I tried it at a wedding... and quickly learned its NOT for weddings. The shots I took were of course smoother and more fluid like than anything handheld, but the time to balance it, and get it on just didnt seem worth it. Weddings are so fast paced go go go, I just dont have the time to toy with it.
I've considered buying a smaller Steadicam JR.


X-Kiwi_Sheep
Imported Account

Nov 8, 2002, 7:43 PM

Post #21 of 24 (2681 views)
Shortcut
Steadicam JR with GL2 [In reply to] Can't Post

I used the Steadicam JR with my GL2. The XL1s is too heavy for it. Anyway, the balancing part took me about roughly 2 hours. Since it was my first time to use a steadicam, I had to learn how to balance it well and didn't know the technique how to do it. But now I think I'm quite comfortable how to balance it.
I used the Steadicam before/after the ceremony when bride/groom are taking formal shots outside/inside the church. During the ceremony both of my cameras are locked down on their tripods. I also used the Steadicam JR during Pre-Reception. When people are arriving to the reception, I usually follow them with my Steadicam JR - the shot is either behind or in front of them.
The Steadicam JR can be mounted on a tripod easily. That's the reason why I got it because of the option to mount on a tripod. With my tripod quick release, I can basically resume steadicam work after dismounting it from the tripod. The manufacturer recommends to leave the camera to the steadicam once you have balance it and so therefore they have provided an interface for the quick release pad to be screwed on the steadicam itself. You only balance the camera once and that's it. You have to option in the steadicam to tilt up/down the camera to have an angled shot of the subject. You don't use your wrist to take the angled shot, your wrists is always straight, the steadicam does the angled shot for you.
As with any handheld stabilizers, I couldn't really take long and continuous shots because it is quite heavy. I used the Steadicam JR shots to create amazing shots that make viewers think the shot was done by a camera on a dolly.
: How long does it take to get it balanced? How much time do you use it during the ceremony and for what parts?
: Coleman


X-robert
Imported Account

Nov 8, 2002, 8:32 PM

Post #22 of 24 (2681 views)
Shortcut
Re: Mark ~ it works great with quick release [In reply to] Can't Post

Hey Mark,
If you want to take one for a test drive I have one with the low cage adapter. Seeing as we live in the same city if you are interested give me a call. Write me at this email and then we can hook up.
Rob


X-G
Imported Account

Nov 8, 2002, 8:43 PM

Post #23 of 24 (2682 views)
Shortcut
Re: Did you use a V-8 in a wedding? [In reply to] Can't Post

No, I use the V-8 while shooting marching band. Just as you pointed out, it would create quite a spectacle during someone else's special day.?p?I balance it once for a camera, and then it's not such a big deal to put on or take off. I can probably be ready to shoot inside a minute.?p?: I'm also thinking of getting a V-8 for my XL1s. But I'm afraid that I may draw more attention from the people in the ceremony than the bride. Imagine, all their eyes are on you and they don't look at the bride anymore. ?p?: So I got a Steadicam JR instead and that works really great - handheld, small and not an attention getter. Although, from time to time, people are looking and wondering what kind of alien device I'm using.?p??br?


X-Mark
Imported Account

Nov 8, 2002, 10:04 PM

Post #24 of 24 (2681 views)
Shortcut
Re: Mark ~ it works great with quick release [In reply to] Can't Post

Thanks Rob,
That will be great. I've sent you an email.
Mark
: Hey Mark,
: If you want to take one for a test drive I have one with the low cage adapter. Seeing as we live in the same city if you are interested give me a call. Write me at this email and then we can hook up.
: Rob