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Stop what you're doing and go buy the FX-1!!

 
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memorytracks
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Nov 11, 2004, 2:16 AM

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I've heard rumour you can use Windows Media Player 10, but I just installed VLC media player. (v 0.7.2)
BEWARE: It might not be related, but ever since installing VLC I've been getting a blue screen with P17.sys (audio-related) trying to play normal MPG files in Windows Media Player . I hope VLC didn't throw in some wierd audio codec bug...

I haven't had time to troubleshoot it to VLC for certain yet, and installing new audio drivers hasn't made it go away.
Let me know if you have troubles...I'm curious if it's just me.


-Dave Graton
MemoryTracks Films


mjeppsen
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Nov 11, 2004, 2:24 AM

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I installed VLC v0.8.0 just this afternoon, and have no playback issues. I don't have WMP10 though, still using version 9.

Matt Jeppsen
www.FreshDV.com


Emilio Chavez
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Nov 11, 2004, 3:47 AM

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Any MPEG2 compatible player will do the trick. You may need to change the .m2t to .mpg if you don't have your extensions properly associated.


Robert
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Nov 11, 2004, 4:03 AM

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Re: [Mathew] Stop what you're doing and go buy the FX-1!! [In reply to] Can't Post
My response was pertaining to an editing application.

Those other expenses you listed will STILL need to be included WHENEVER you upgrade to HD. A professional will gladly pony up the money to provide a quality product...Wink

I don't have an HD camera. I am waiting for the Pro version. And frankly I'd rather see what Panasonic is going to do. (I've been unhappy with Sony camera reliability... just my experience... and now reading about half second glitches sure doesn't ease my mind)

I like my Panasonic DVX 100...... let's see what comes forth from them.


Mathew
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Nov 11, 2004, 11:40 AM

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A professional will gladly pony up the money to provide a quality product...Wink

My goodness. Some of you just don't get it. What good is HD if you can't even deliver it to the customer? How can you advertise shooting HD weddings and then hand the client a downconverted DVD?

I don't know about you guys but I have other expenses in my life besides being a video hobbiest.

Again until there is a DVD based consumer device that can play back HD for under $500 then I don't see this format going anywhere. I don't consider DVHS an option. Tape is dead as far as consumers go.


bideoguy
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Nov 11, 2004, 1:26 PM

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So is it possible with the HDR-FX1 to edit in a regular DV format and you a Final Cut Express? Is the quality of the HDR-FX1 in DV format as good as the VX2100? If so then its worth it to get the option of HD and the WIDE screen option. I'm sure even if its not as good in low light as a vx2100, with an added light it will be just as good if not better.


Robert
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Nov 11, 2004, 1:33 PM

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That's a fair statement............. But in all honesty Mat, you're one of the biggest 'complainers' of being professional, dragging the profession down. You complain about folks NOT being professional, and when a new technology comes out that IS exciting you thump thump thump on your drum complaining about a deliverable medium, and being hobbyist.

There are walk-arounds to the problems. I haven't heard anyone state they are buying the camera for HD deliverable products yet. We know there isn't a delivery option. Some will downconvert and offer the HD later. (A good source of back up income during slo times.... like DVD mastering was for past clients who DIDN'T have the option before circa 2001)

So as far as I'm concerned you're the only one who doesn't "GET" it.

And....which one are YOU .... a pro or a hobbyist? Your post isn't clear. Wink


A professional will gladly pony up the money to provide a quality product... because it earns them MORE money in the long run and keeps clients happy.
I may not invest into HD till late next year.... I may do it in the spring. Does it matter? When I do I'll raise the bar for me... my clients.... AND my competition.

THAT'S EXCITING.... and that's what so great about the forums. Sharing that excitment.

regards,
Robert


frlane
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Nov 11, 2004, 1:37 PM

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I read an article recently which said that they are not jumping on the HDV bandwagon (at least not yet). The are working with a new tapeless technology for their lower end pro cameras. These would allow for less compressed HD than HDV allows.

We'll see.....
Ray Lane
Visual Dreams
www.visualdreams.tv


Robert
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Nov 11, 2004, 1:39 PM

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I read the recent Videomaker review... and they said the image wasn't QUITE as good as the Sony VX2100. But the difference sounded negligable. With the options for gamma and cine' control I'd think it would be a good option for a DV/ HD camera.

To those who HAVE the new camra...... is the exposure control 'RACHETED' like the VX2000/2100?
Or is it a smooth progression through the entire exposure setting? In other words....do you see the exposure levels 'CLICK' to the next setting, as you move the dial?

regards,
Robert


mtiffee
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Nov 11, 2004, 1:39 PM

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Yest, you can shoot regular DV with the FX-1 and capture it today with any program just like any other camera. You can also shoot HDV and the camera will do a real-time downconversion over 1394.

I haven't compared the picture quality to a vx2100 but I have compared it to a JVC DV5000U that has a better lens and larger CCDs and I'd say they're at least matched if not better. The FX-1 does have a better lens than the vx2100 and newer CCDs with 14bit DXP. The vx2100 does perform better in low light but not by much.


bideoguy
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Nov 11, 2004, 1:41 PM

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What I would like to know, even for non business purposes is this, how can we record in HD and still be able to watch it in true HD on our TV (assuming we have a HD compatible tv) without loss of quality. They say Blue ray recorders will be the rage in 2005-2006 and offer a lot of storage per HD DVD but in the meantime if we connect the camera to a TV will it be full HD quality? Rumor has it that the camera company's are coming out with HD Blue Ray camcorders in 05.


mtiffee
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Nov 11, 2004, 1:47 PM

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Hook the camera up using the supplied component cables. Some TVs also feature a 1394 input which would provide the best results. This camera looks stunning when viewed on a native 1080i HDTV via component.


bideoguy
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Nov 11, 2004, 1:49 PM

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How is the camera shooting indoors?


mtiffee
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Nov 11, 2004, 1:54 PM

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To those who HAVE the new camra...... is the exposure control 'RACHETED' like the VX2000/2100?
Or is it a smooth progression through the entire exposure setting? In other words....do you see the exposure levels 'CLICK' to the next setting, as you move the dial?

regards,
Robert
I just went outside and tested that. The iris was smooth. as I went from one stop to another it did it on what appeard to be a smooth linear or s-curve. There was a slight delay but not much. The auto iris is very smooth, I haven't noticed any stepping.


Mathew
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Nov 11, 2004, 1:58 PM

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But in all honesty Mat, you're one of the biggest 'complainers' of being professional, dragging the profession down. You complain about folks NOT being professional, and when a new technology comes out that IS exciting you thump thump thump on your drum complaining about a deliverable medium, and being hobbyist.regards,
Robert
Well that's pretty unfair isn't it? My attempt is to bring up the professionalism. How can you offer HD and then not be able to deliver it to the customer? It's misleading and false advertising. If you're buying an HDV camera to shoot pretty pictures of flowers and such that's fine but then we're talking about amateur uses. I can tell you for the next year at least that most who buy this camera unless they work in the broadcast spectrum will be using it primarily for hobbiest reasons.

What's great for me is that I know how to run a business. I've ran my own for just over a year now and have been fairly successful at it. I shot more weddings at a higher profit than many of my peers in my market. I'm pretty sure of where I stand on this issue.


mtiffee
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Nov 11, 2004, 1:59 PM

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How is the camera shooting indoors?
define indoors and I'll go shoot it.. you mean just around the house? under office lighting? in a showroom?


bideoguy
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Nov 11, 2004, 2:00 PM

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yeah I mean how is it at night, indoors, with average home lighting or even at a wedding ballroom with the lights dimmed.


mtiffee
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Nov 11, 2004, 2:12 PM

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 Well that's pretty unfair isn't it? My attempt is to bring up the professionalism. How can you offer HD and then not be able to deliver it to the customer? It's misleading and false advertising. If you're buying an HDV camera to shoot pretty pictures of flowers and such that's fine but then we're talking about amateur uses. I can tell you for the next year at least that most who buy this camera unless they work in the broadcast spectrum will be using it primarily for hobbiest reasons.

What's great for me is that I know how to run a business. I've ran my own for just over a year now and have been fairly successful at it. I shot more weddings at a higher profit than many of my peers in my market. I'm pretty sure of where I stand on this issue.


mtiffee
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Nov 11, 2004, 2:34 PM

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yeah I mean how is it at night, indoors, with average home lighting or even at a wedding ballroom with the lights dimmed.
I shot last night in a parking lot of a shopping center at twighlight and it looked great. I'm trying to do screen grabs but it shows up in photoshop as a black hole in the media player.
I just shot some stuff in my living room which is very very dark, and @ 18db it looked pretty good- better than I expected..., i would never shoot anywhere that dark. I think in a dimly lit wedding ballroom @ night you might be @ 3db gain... in a dressing room, bridal prep etc, probably 0db.


bideoguy
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Nov 11, 2004, 2:36 PM

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Cool does the FX1 have a DVI hookup for HDTV's>? Also, is there an optional light on the FX1, since the lux rating is 3.


mtiffee
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Nov 11, 2004, 2:43 PM

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No DVI

You have:
Component
S-Video
Composite
Firewire 1394

Sure you can use any light you want. There is a standard shoe on the camera.


Brian Coe
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Nov 11, 2004, 3:02 PM

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I think that Mat is missing one important point.

We own and use PD150 and DSR250 for 4/3 weddings BUT we rent DSR570's for the 16/9 weddings (which represent half of our bookings) as we cannot justify the investment in the 570 cameras.

The Z1 (pro version FX1 ) looks like being a very viable camera for us TODAY to purchase just to have a DVCAM 16/9 native camera. In 2005 it is unlikely that we will use the HDV for weddings. Although having said that we sometimes film clips/love stories in advance for projection at the reception. We use a 12 foot 16/9 screen and THAT would be worth doing in HD.

Brian
Elite Video Mariage
Paris France
http://www.elitevideomariage.com


memorytracks
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Nov 11, 2004, 3:10 PM

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Hey Mathew, I'm wrestling with the idea of buying one of these myself.
Granted, videography is not my day job... I'm in the weekend warrior boat with Glen, but someday I want to quit the day job.

Do you feel it would unfair or unethical for someone to claim they do "Weddings in HDV" if they could provide an HD-version to playback on a PC? And of course they would also get the down-converted "great looking" DVD widescreen version for now.

As long as you were upfront about the facts to the couple it seems like the HDV claim would be legit.
Ya gotta admit the instant advertising power it would add... and the beautiful demos that could come from it.


-Dave Graton
MemoryTracks Films


eagle eye
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Nov 11, 2004, 3:16 PM

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Just curious Brian.. would you hook your FX-1 up to the projector?


Mathew
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Nov 11, 2004, 3:26 PM

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Dave, you're complicating things. I could see maybe offering a DVD for now and archiving the HD footage for later but doesn't that seem a bit rediculous Crazy Do you actually want to revisit every project you shoot in HDV now in two years?

Most brides and their mothers (you know the ones that give the green light on video) don't even know how to use their DVD players and now you're opening a whole can of worms by saying "We can shoot it in HD but only give it you in SD until later when you buy one of those new blu-ray DVD players that won't be released until 2006"

Basically you're going to all this extra work just to provide a phantom product.


(This post was edited by Mathew on Nov 11, 2004, 3:31 PM)

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