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What do you do for VHS/DVD covers?

 

 


X-Jeff_Kirkland
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May 1, 2003, 11:28 PM

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OK, so maybe it's a bad case of cover envy but I'm working with a photographer friend of mine on a wedding and we're both about to deliver final product. Trouble is, his wedding album looks amazing and makes my VHS/DVD covers look very average.
He's handing over a custom bound album with a brushed metal cover that has the Bride and grooms name embossed into it. It looks amazing...
I've not felt inferior about my home printed DVD covers until now... but it did make me think that it's the sort of presentation that makes the couple think they've really gotten something special for the dollars they've spent. Admittedly he's charging almost three time the amount I am but that album makes it look like he's woth ten times that again.
Any suggestions about competing with that sort of presentation?
Cheers
Jeff K


X-DGates
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May 2, 2003, 2:41 AM

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X-DGates
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May 2, 2003, 2:46 AM

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X-Jeff_Kirkland
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May 2, 2003, 7:38 AM

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Hi Dirk,
I remember seeing this before and really like it. My covers are along the same lines although I think your design skills are much better than mine. I think I'll be borrowing an idea or two from the back cover...
I take it you never feel the need to compete with the metal/leather bound big budget albums that a photographer can hand over?
Here is a photo of the type of cover my photographer friend is handing over. It looks amazing in real life and I'm just feeling self-conscious about handing over somethng that looks like it came from the local video store.
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<img src="http://www.albumsaustralia.com.au/img/snd.jpg">
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Anyway, I'll get over it I guess. Just wondering what others might be doing to make the humble DVD/VHS cover look a little more special.
Cheers
Jeff K


X-Loi_Banh
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May 2, 2003, 9:57 AM

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I like the idea of providing clients with something more substantial than
printed DVD covers in plastic cases. There are some very beautiful and modern
designs for photographic albums, ranging from the standard leather albums to
personalized, handcrafted silk and velvet albums.
As it stands, we're stuck with plastic DVD cases that are really designed more
like books, to be placed on shelves with only the spines showing. A more
prominent display would be to enclose the DVD in a picture-frame format.
Something classy enough to be placed on a coffee table or TV set. I'm looking
into a scratch-resistant Lexan frame with the DVD disc held in place in the
middle. A brushed aluminum or metal backing, and some sort of laser
engraving of the couples name, and wedding date. I don't think such a case
exists, but at least I have an idea of what it should look like in my head. It'll
have a modern 21st century look & feel to complement the technological
achievements that pristine DVD video offers.
Anyway, it's something I'm thinking of offering in 2004, but for now, I'm using
amaray DVD cases with custom designed cover art. Here are some of my recent
designs.
<img src="http://www.bluecoremedia.com/client/amaray.jpg">
I generally ask my clients to pick 5 of their favourite pictures, and from those,
I'll select the best 2 images and place them on the front cover, making sure I
select pictures that complement each other. Both front cover designs reflect
this. These are scanned from proofs that the client provides. In terms of
copyright, I ask the photographers if I can use their pictures, and all have so far
granted permission. Be sure to include their credits (6 point Arial is my font
style of choice).
MY DESIGN GUIDES: Each person has their own preference and guidelines.. here
are mine. To simplify the cover art, I generally just have their first names and
wedding date on the front cover. I dont include "the wedding of" in the title as
a picture of a gal in a wedding dress is self-explanatory. The back cover has
more pics, either photos or video stills, and a list of chapter selections. I've
done away with listing the bridal party, for 2 reasons. 1. Chances of typos
increase 2. Is it really necessary? If it's a small party, then I might fit it in
somewhere.
Front covers get the sepia/duotone treatment, I hardly ever use full colour for
the front. I find full colour front page designs too distracting. Just take a look
around your local Blockbuster video store, and you'll see most cover design
work is single colour tinted, or highly stylized for dramatic genres. Cartoons
and comedies seem to be the exception. Back pages are typically full colour
and contain all the type and misc info. The second design example is more
"movie" like with all the credits listed in small type on the bottom half.
Loi Banh
bluecore media


X-Eric
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May 2, 2003, 12:11 PM

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Hi Loi,
WOW! Your examples again have truly inspired me to do better. The website makeover and these dvd cover examples are good learning experiences. It's great how you went through the thought process for these. Time is always short for everyone but I hope you can contine to find the time to contribute your ideas and examples in the future. It's a great learning experience for everyone and will help raise the "awareness" of what great wedding videography can be...
Thanks,
Eric


X-Ian
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May 2, 2003, 12:14 PM

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These examples from DGates and Loi Banh look really good and certainly put mine to shame. They also look like a lot of work too and I`m not very proficient in Photoshop. I like the cover to have a bit of mystery as to what`s contained in the video, with less pictures to give away what`s inside... just a thought.
One thing though, I know it`s come up before recently but where does one obtain the DVD video logo?
: I like the idea of providing clients with something more substantial than
: printed DVD covers in plastic cases. There are some very beautiful and modern
: designs for photographic albums, ranging from the standard leather albums to
: personalized, handcrafted silk and velvet albums.
: As it stands, we're stuck with plastic DVD cases that are really designed more
: like books, to be placed on shelves with only the spines showing. A more
: prominent display would be to enclose the DVD in a picture-frame format.
: Something classy enough to be placed on a coffee table or TV set. I'm looking
: into a scratch-resistant Lexan frame with the DVD disc held in place in the
: middle. A brushed aluminum or metal backing, and some sort of laser
: engraving of the couples name, and wedding date. I don't think such a case
: exists, but at least I have an idea of what it should look like in my head. It'll
: have a modern 21st century look & feel to complement the technological
: achievements that pristine DVD video offers.
: Anyway, it's something I'm thinking of offering in 2004, but for now, I'm using
: amaray DVD cases with custom designed cover art. Here are some of my recent
: designs.
: <img src="http://www.bluecoremedia.com/client/amaray.jpg">
: I generally ask my clients to pick 5 of their favourite pictures, and from those,
: I'll select the best 2 images and place them on the front cover, making sure I
: select pictures that complement each other. Both front cover designs reflect
: this. These are scanned from proofs that the client provides. In terms of
: copyright, I ask the photographers if I can use their pictures, and all have so far
: granted permission. Be sure to include their credits (6 point Arial is my font
: style of choice).
: MY DESIGN GUIDES: Each person has their own preference and guidelines.. here
: are mine. To simplify the cover art, I generally just have their first names and
: wedding date on the front cover. I dont include "the wedding of" in the title as
: a picture of a gal in a wedding dress is self-explanatory. The back cover has
: more pics, either photos or video stills, and a list of chapter selections. I've
: done away with listing the bridal party, for 2 reasons. 1. Chances of typos
: increase 2. Is it really necessary? If it's a small party, then I might fit it in
: somewhere.
: Front covers get the sepia/duotone treatment, I hardly ever use full colour for
: the front. I find full colour front page designs too distracting. Just take a look
: around your local Blockbuster video store, and you'll see most cover design
: work is single colour tinted, or highly stylized for dramatic genres. Cartoons
: and comedies seem to be the exception. Back pages are typically full colour
: and contain all the type and misc info. The second design example is more
: "movie" like with all the credits listed in small type on the bottom half.
: Loi Banh
: bluecore media



X-al
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May 2, 2003, 12:27 PM

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wow! nice...so did http://www.creativevideopro.com/ create that for you? what do you do about dvd labeling - do you sticker labels or do you have them silk screen'd? (not sure if that's the right lingo)
Al


X-rob
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May 2, 2003, 1:54 PM

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X-DGates
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May 2, 2003, 2:08 PM

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I did that on my computer. Ink jet printed on glossy paper.
The mention of Creative Video Pro was for those leather type cases.
Dirk
: wow! nice...so did http://www.creativevideopro.com/ create that for you? what do you do about dvd labeling - do you sticker labels or do you have them silk screen'd? (not sure if that's the right lingo)
: Al


X-Rick_Koetter
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May 2, 2003, 2:11 PM

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Hi Loi,
Are you using the actual amaray brand cases? If so, where do you purchase these? I had a good source, but they stopped selling them...
Rick
P.S. I enjoy ALL your work (video samples, website, and now these cases). Your style is very clean and professional...


X-al
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May 2, 2003, 3:03 PM

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Niiiiice! Do you have someone do the "custom designed art" or do you do it yourself? What sort of paper are you using?
Thanks,
Al



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May 2, 2003, 3:05 PM

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Loi,
Your work is always so clean, professional and impressive. You definitely have the eye for detail.
Would you please share information about your fonts on the second case? I am especially interested in the font on the front cover with their names and the font on the movie-like listing of the cast members. Also, it appears that you have a small message beside the grayed DVD portion. What does it say?
Will you be doing any presentations during WEVA this year? It would be great if you would do a workshop on After Effects. I enjoyed your presentation last year, and left wanting more of your time and experience sharing.
Thank you. It is such a pleasure to have you visit here.
Best Always,
Tammy


X-Philip
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May 2, 2003, 3:27 PM

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I learned lots from your cover design and also the really nice ones created by Jeff later in this thread. My question is what software is everyone using to create these wonderful designs?
I took some sample pictures and attempted to mimic some of the styles shown in these examples and was able to accomplish the layout and look in a reasonable amount of time. However, my text looked awful. It was pixelated and not very clear. I was using Photoshop to do the design. Is there some special software others are using to create these wonderful designs?
Thanks,
Philip


X-Briody
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May 2, 2003, 3:47 PM

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I haven't shot a wedding yet, but I've got a ton of corporate work.
I've found that a nicely printed cover does wonders. And guess where I print.... Kinkos!
Kinkos full color imaging system is quite a bit better then a desktop inkjet printer. The local Kinko's charges me $1.25 for an excellent quality color print.
Along the same lines, one of the best printers for digital photography is the Fuji Frontier. In my town the 2 expensive pro labs have these machines. Sam's Club also does. Sam's is 1/5 of the price. Prints were identical.
Mark


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May 2, 2003, 5:09 PM

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I used Microsoft Digital Photo Pro for that particular design. About $60 after rebate. I like it, but I just got Photoshop Elements, and it's easier to touch-up things. I'm not sure why your text would be pixelated, unless you're creating small text, and then enlarging it too much. Start out with a larger font. For instance, on my cover, where it says "Annika and Jeff:, that's a 72 size font.
Dirk
: I learned lots from your cover design and also the really nice ones created by Jeff later in this thread. My question is what software is everyone using to create these wonderful designs?
: I took some sample pictures and attempted to mimic some of the styles shown in these examples and was able to accomplish the layout and look in a reasonable amount of time. However, my text looked awful. It was pixelated and not very clear. I was using Photoshop to do the design. Is there some special software others are using to create these wonderful designs?
: Thanks,
: Philip


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May 2, 2003, 5:36 PM

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X-Jeff_Kirkland
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May 2, 2003, 6:52 PM

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Very impressive - if I a tenth of your design skills, I'd be a very happy man.
Looking at everyone's feedback it seems plastic cases are about my only choice for now but I think I might start talking to the places that produce all these nifty wedding albums and see if there are any possibilities in adapting them for video. I'm thinking that if maybe I can just get the custom covers on their own, I might be able to craft something of my own that will just hold everything.
In the meantime, I'll be slaving over Photoshop this weekend to see what I can produce the old fashioned way.


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May 2, 2003, 7:22 PM

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Hi Tammy,
These fonts will become your new best friend. There are 4 typefaces in this
font family. The one featured on the cover is called LinoType Zapfino Three.
The family also contains a complete set of ligatures, which make this a well
designed, modern-looking font. Some other fonts I like to use are Cezanne
and CarpenterICG.
The movie type font can be any serif font, for this example, I used the Palatino
typeface squeezed horizontally 50%-75% and a looser kerning.
The little text in the gray reads "Presented in True 16:9 Widescreen Picture and
Digital Sound. Anamorphically encoded video. The black bar on the top and
bottom of a regular TV screen is normal. Approx. 30 mins."
Loi Banh
bluecore media
: Would you please share information about your fonts on the second case? I
am especially interested in the font on the front cover with their names and the
font on the movie-like listing of the cast members. Also, it appears that you
have a small message beside the grayed DVD portion. What does it say?


X-Loi_Banh
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May 2, 2003, 7:46 PM

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: Are you using the actual amaray brand cases? If so, where do you purchase
these? I had a good source, but they stopped selling them...
: Rick
Yes. The same ones used by Hollywood studios. I purchase them locally at
http://www.cnl.com
They come 30 per box. I buy 2 boxes each visit. Im not sure if they ship
internationally, but you can always inquire.

:Do you have someone do the "custom designed art" or do you do it yourself?
What sort of paper are you using?
:Thanks,
:Al
I do them myself. It wouldn't be economical to have it designed by a third
party. Good design houses charge $90/hour, plus set-up fees. Most custom
designs take 30-90mins to produce from a template.
I use Burlington Heavyweight Photo Matte paper. This paper brand is very
bright, compared to some of the better known brands, like Kodak, HP and
Epson. What's great about Burlington is there is a small "B" watermark on one
side of the paper so you know which is the good side to print on. I use an
Epson Inkjet Printer running at 1440 DPI, although they suggest 720 DPI.
Loi Banh
bluecore media


X-Joel_Peregrine
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May 3, 2003, 12:42 AM

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Hi Loi,
While your designs are fabulous, I have a problem with the fact that they feature the photographer's work rather than your own. Have you used video captures instead other than for the chapter stills?
Joel Peregrine
RememberTheFeeling.com


X-TMiller
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May 3, 2003, 1:09 AM

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Thank you, Loi.


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Loi -
Is there a place to download those fonts? They are beautiful!
Thanks!
Camille Wellard
Remember This Video


X-Thomas_Hart
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It sounds like you set your resolution too low. Your image size should have a resolution of 300 dpi. You should get better results if you do that!