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Which recorder....Marantz 620 or Edirol R-09HR ?

 
 


marco
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Feb 5, 2009, 2:28 PM

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Which one would you guys recommend for replacing my iRivers.

Please consider these things;

*Connecting my Azden 503 lav mics
*Dropping into the priest and/or grooms pocket
*Connecting to the DJ board
*Mac friendly
*See audio levels on the display

Thanks,
marco



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Mark Foley
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Feb 5, 2009, 3:37 PM

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Although both would be good for a replacement for use with your azden mics, the marantz has slightly smaller form factor possibly making it less objectionable.

Although both can be used to tap into a DJ board, higher output sound boards may exceed the line in sensitivity therby forcing you to use external attenuators to "calm" the signal down. It always an "iffy" situation when using a recording device that only has 1/8" line-in capability....

For those on a audio budget, the new Zoom H4n maybe better suited for line level recording....
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Brackish
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Feb 5, 2009, 4:01 PM

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For those on a audio budget, the new Zoom H4n maybe better suited for line level recording....
The thing that's neat about the new Zoom is the capability to record
4 independent tracks at once.

I wonder if Zoom will be updating their H2 anytime soon.



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marco
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Feb 5, 2009, 4:03 PM

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Mark

I am leaning towards the Marantz.

Is the in line sensitivity better than the iRivers? (I maybe had a few issues where the audio from the dj board was too loud in my iRiver.)

Thanks



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Mark Foley
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Feb 5, 2009, 5:27 PM

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It will be much better...plus you can record at an exponentially higher quality since you can use 24 bit uncompressed .wav instead of mp3
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marco
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Feb 5, 2009, 5:43 PM

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Cool.

I just ordered 2 of them. But I was a bit confused about the SD cards.
They come with a 2gb San Disk SD card each, and I wanted to order two more. Which one do you recommend the 4GB SDHC or 8GB SDHC? And do I really need to go the next step with the faster ones (Ultra ll)?



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Mark Foley
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Feb 5, 2009, 6:11 PM

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Buy the biggest you can afford...allows you the most record time at the highest quality...
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Bean
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Feb 5, 2009, 6:27 PM

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following mark's advice i bought the marantz last year and have used it for several events. it is much easier to work with than the irivers, but it is larger.

i use it with the azden 503 and have found the auto level control to be very accurate. many times the pastor/priest will speak louder when addressing the guests and quieter when speaking directly to the couple.

it will fit ok in a pocket but it is a bit bulky. when i place the recorder in the grooms pocket i always have it in some type of cloth bag, this keeps curious groomsmen from pressing any buttons. i also gaff tape the mic cable to ther recorder so it does not accidentally disconnect. sometimes a catholic priest or female pastor will not have a pocket and the marantz does not have any type of clip. it does inlcude a carry case with a clip but this adds bulk.

i have connected it to the dj board and depending on the input level it works. if i have a dj that will monitor the level and has an aux send for the marantz all is good. if the dj sends only the level of the main mix with no adjustment it is often distorted for the dance music but levels are ok for the toasts. an attenuating cable would correct for the high input.

the display is easy to read and has a red light to indicate record. once i clipped it to the music stand of the string quartet and could see the solid record light from about 12 feet away. it is not overly obnoxious and i knew it was on the stand but it did not bother the musicians or distract the guests.

dont know about mac compatibility i am running winxp for windows i place the memory card in a reader and drag and drop the recorded files. it is extremely slow if i connect the marantz by usb and transferr.

the battery life is usually at least two hours with energizer rechargable batteries.


Brackish
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Feb 5, 2009, 10:13 PM

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I'll just throw this out there for anyone watching on ...

I gather that the Sony D50 might be the next step up above
the units being mentioned here. If I was looking in this price
range I'd atleast take a look at the 50, based upon some good
buzz I've heard about it. As far as the specifics of how it
compares, that I don't know but it seems to be well regarded.



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Mark Foley
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Feb 6, 2009, 12:49 AM

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this keeps curious groomsmen from pressing any buttons.
Have you used the key lock to disable the buttons?

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Mark Foley
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Feb 6, 2009, 1:05 AM

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if the dj sends only the level of the main mix with no adjustment it is often distorted for the dance music
Thanks for the update for that recording process as I have never tried it as a line-in device.

A good rule of thumb for getting consistent audio (this is from my article coming out in the March issue of a well known magazine) from a line level source is to only use a recorder with with a minimum of 1/4" input. Typically, recorders with a 1/8" input don't have the sensitivity range to handle the higher voltages from some Dj boards and especially higher end sound boards.





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Mark Foley
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Feb 6, 2009, 1:22 AM

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As Bean has mentioned, you need a means of attenuation (attenuation cable) to have in your audio bag if the line-level signal/voltage may be a bit high.

SoundProfessionals has one for about $7: http://www.soundprofessionals.com/...y.cgi?item=SP-ATEN-1

You also need and adapter cable setup (you probably already have this if you have been using an iRiver/1/8" input recorder) to go from the typical outputs on a board (XLR, 1/4TRS, RCA) to the 1/8" female input of the attenuator cable. These can be found just about anywhere.



For me personally, from my early days as a sound technician for a rock band, I discovered that every additional cable/device you put in the signal path is a potential point of failure/source of noise. This is why I prefer/recommend using a recorder that can handle the signal voltage outright. However, as long as you are careful/methodical with your setup, you should do just fine with the Marantz in this process. The one thing I truly like about the Marantz...its superb build quality...this is a pro piece of gear....
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Brackish
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Feb 6, 2009, 1:39 AM

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you need a means of attenuation (attenuation cable) to have in your audio bag if the line-level signal/voltage may be a bit high.

SoundProfessionals has one for about $7: http://www.soundprofessionals.com/...y.cgi?item=SP-ATEN-1
 I got one just like that at my local Radio Shack. It's a headphone volume control.



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marco
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Feb 6, 2009, 5:00 AM

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 it is extremely slow if i connect the marantz by usb and transferr.
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Thanks for the detailed input Bean.
Do you think the transfer would be faster if I use the San Disk Ultra ll cards? Or should I get a card reader?



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Bean
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Feb 6, 2009, 6:09 AM

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this keeps curious groomsmen from pressing any buttons.
Have you used the key lock to disable the buttons?


yes i have the key lock set, usually a group of guys with time to kill and an electronic device is never a good combination Wink the other advantage of having the marantz in a cloth bag is the groom won't notice it is recording

if you really want to know what people think of the videographer listen to the audio recorded before and after the ceremony

i have the marantz loaned out at the moment and can't recall what the memory card is. i think it's a 8gb class 6. when connected by usb it takes a long time to transferr, i have one sandisk and one generic card reader and both will transferr much faster.


smithvideo
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Feb 6, 2009, 11:03 AM

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Looks like Sweetwater has a deal on the Marantz with $100 cash back, making the cost $300

http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/PMD620

But there may be better prices out there


Mark Foley
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Feb 6, 2009, 12:33 PM

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Sweetwater is a great place to do buiness...Ask for Keith Schreiber and tell em' Mark Foley sent ya' :-)
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smithvideo
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Feb 6, 2009, 1:41 PM

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Yeah, I got my H2 Zoom (and a Casio keyboard, just for fun- not for work) from them and they are great. They even threw in a free plastic case for the Zoom, they call to make sure everything arrived and no problems. Great customer service.


McKnightVideo
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Feb 12, 2009, 8:44 AM

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I've used the Marantz for a few months now and love it. It will take an SD card up to 2 TB if I remember correctly. And, transfer is faster if you use a usb 2.0 card reader vs. the device itself.
Most boards we come in contact with have Tape Out or Record Out rca jacks and this works perfectly with the line in, regardless of what the DJ is doing in the room.