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same edits, different clients?

 
 


ryin
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Mar 20, 2008, 3:10 PM

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anybody ever use the same editing format (song, effects, match similar clips) for different clients...


Adam Mancini
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Mar 20, 2008, 3:25 PM

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Many of my average jobs follow the same format. If I spend the time to create somthing great I want to get some milage out of it. In a way each client benifits...


fr0gm@n
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Mar 20, 2008, 3:31 PM

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All the time. Last year I got a song for a SDE and used it for 3 in a row. It was loved each time. Unless the girls are friends and going to be at each other's wedding it isn't a problem. All 3 loved the song. Why re-create the wheel if you don't have to. Wink



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glimmer
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Mar 20, 2008, 3:43 PM

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I don't use the same format as each video should be done unique to the client, but I do model certain elements the same in terms of project format, dvd structure, etc. It all depends.

One guy around here, who posts all over the Knot prentending to be brides/grooms, does the same EVERYTHING for EVERYONE. Yet, ironically, everyone praises how great he is....such nonsense. Everything looks the same - makes no sense to me.


John K.
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Mar 20, 2008, 4:17 PM

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Yet, ironically, everyone praises how great he is....such nonsense. Everything looks the same - makes no sense to me.

Probably because each video he does features a different bride and groom, and for most, that is "different" enough. Brides are looking at themselves, their dresses, other details; I doubt for a second they are scratching their heads wondering if past clients have finished productions that might be similar in design and layout to the one they just received; and frankly, would they really care; as long as their video - featuring them and all their friends and family - turned out great? Sounds like this guy knows what he's doing if everyone is praising his work, no?

John


glimmer
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Mar 20, 2008, 4:22 PM

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From one side, it is a smart move...less time to work on the product and the chances of any two people seeing one another's video is quite slim. It just gets to the factory mentality...and as far as the praises...sure, it's some clients, but he, his girfriend, and mom post most of the stuff in the first place!


Brackish
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Mar 20, 2008, 4:30 PM

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but he, his girfriend, and mom post most of the stuff
Posing as bride's?


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Ronny
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Mar 20, 2008, 4:58 PM

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It just gets to the factory mentality...and as far as the praises...sure, it's some clients, but he, his girfriend, and mom post most of the stuff in the first place!
You sound a little too bothered by the whole thing, as if you're envious of the amount of business the person gets. Don't stress about the competition. Do your own thing and don't worry what others are doing.


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ryin
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Mar 20, 2008, 5:25 PM

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Im curious because some of the edits I put together others and myself really enjoy, but I also want to use that clip to showcase my work as a demo, but then I cant really edit their wedding the same way as the demo they just watched...or can I? using the same song, transitions and things would really cut down a lot of work, but you do loose out on making another creative unique clip


Kenneth
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Mar 20, 2008, 5:37 PM

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I wouldn't say we do it like you stated, but in a way our stuff is cookie cutter in the sense that I don't want to let a client down and try new styles when they hired me based on a wedding I did a year ago. If somebody likes your shooting and editing styles you have an obligation to keep your style the same.

Just imagine if you went to see AC/DC in concert and the didn't play SHook Me All Night Long. You'd want your money back.
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Daniel
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Mar 20, 2008, 5:38 PM

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Probably because each video he does features a different bride and groom, and for most, that is "different" enough. Brides are looking at themselves, their dresses, other details; I doubt for a second they are scratching their heads wondering if past clients have finished productions that might be similar in design and layout to the one they just received; and frankly, would they really care; as long as their video - featuring them and all their friends and family - turned out great? Sounds like this guy knows what he's doing if everyone is praising his work, no?
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Kenneth
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Mar 20, 2008, 5:42 PM

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There are certain shots, and lots of them, that have to be in there. I'd say we really only have 1/3 of the video that isn't obligatory shots.

And unless you film each wedding different they are going to start looking the same to an extent.
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ryin
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Mar 20, 2008, 5:57 PM

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it seems somewhat difficult to attempt a new style, you want to be able to satisfy them, and they hired you based on your style, has anybody changed their style completely or was it subtle changes, how was it done?


glimmer
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Mar 20, 2008, 6:15 PM

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It just gets to the factory mentality...and as far as the praises...sure, it's some clients, but he, his girfriend, and mom post most of the stuff in the first place!
You sound a little too bothered by the whole thing, as if you're envious of the amount of business the person gets. Don't stress about the competition. Do your own thing and don't worry what others are doing.

Oh, I have very little respect for people who do what they do....and it has nothing to do with any amount of business, type of work, or whatever else...what I do get bothered with is when people in the business pose as others for whom they are not so as to promote themselves...that, I have a problem with....I don't want to sway the topic, but that's my story!


John K.
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Mar 20, 2008, 10:43 PM

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Spoken like a true template editor. Tongue

I kid because I have a sort of template right now. I vary a little but with a huge backlog, dont have time to experiment too much.

Having some kind of template or formula is simply smart business; glad to hear you're doing that, I'm sure you're making some good progress with what you have on the shelf.

John


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Mar 21, 2008, 1:12 AM

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ANYTHING TO SPEED UP PRODUCTIVITY.

We are aware if a couple's network though is the same as another's so we don't duplicate songs. More receptive couples get the experimentation treatment. If the output and response are favorable, it's included into the arsenal.

Except SDEs, I hardly edit the final output myself. But what I do is think of a way to streamline post production. Give them a flow to copy, (of course leaving a bit of leeway for creativity), and keeping an eye for quality control.

I could afford originality and the one-on-one approach for EACH AND EVERY wedding I shot before when I was a small operation. Not anymore.


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Kenneth
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Mar 21, 2008, 6:54 AM

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For my first SDE, I followed a shot list almost to a T. On video layer one I visualized the shots before hand, placed text generators that described what shot was to go there, and then when it came time to make the SDE it was more of a scavenger hunt than actual creativity. So the whole SDE was a template that we just filled in the blanks. The couple doesn't know, nor care. They loved it.
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Postal Boy
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Mar 21, 2008, 11:12 AM

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To me this is the way to do it. What movie director goes into a set without an idea of what he wants already?

Technically, there is NOTHING unique about any wedding. You may change the angle a little, jazz it up a little with fast motion, slow motion, stuff like that. The same events happen at each wedding. There are only so many angles to record them from. You can also argue that a true professional is one that is ready to deal with any situation and knows what he will do when he shows up, and = that doesn't have to "make it up" has he goes along. That means you have pre-planned each situation, or have experience in dealing with each situation. Granted, some improv talent is important, but experience is the best.

As far as "having the same thing" etc...someone already said - they hired you because they like your work. Don't give them something different, or you aren't delivering what they expect. Sure, they MAY like it better, but they may turn around and say "this isn't what I hired you for"...

That doesn't mean they all will look the same....only that they will have similar flow and so forth. If I have a video that makes the bride, the bride's family, and the groom cry - I think I have a good chance of making the NEXT group of people cry with a similar event. Oh...and I mean "cry" in a GOOD way...I can make anyone cry in the bad way Blush


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Mar 21, 2008, 9:31 PM

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Hi Ryin,


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anybody ever use the same editing format (song, effects, match similar clips) for different clients...
Its an easy trap to fall into, but its not a good idea, at least for the long term. For one thing its really hard to put a demo reel together when everything looks the same and even worse, has the same music. Even instructional dvd's have this to deal with, i.e. coming up with stuff that isn't the same from wedding to wedding. My work evolves. One wedding may look very similar to the next, but it looks very different from the one I did 10 weddings ago.

Joel


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Bean
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Mar 22, 2008, 9:07 PM

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i always try to make each video unique to the couple but still include certain shots and perhaps even musical selections

once I had a bride request her highlight montage to be the same as the one she viewed on our demo
the couple liked the video and wanted theirs to be the same, same shots, same music, same effects.

perhaps the brides view their day as theirs regardless of how we perceive it

i still try to make each dvd unique but also practical with the editing time