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Mark Newman
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Sep 23, 2004, 12:49 PM

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This is from a videographer in my area. I cant believe he's this cheap. And SEVEN cameras with a Jib?! Come on. Like that wouldnt be obtrusive!

Package #1
  • 3 Camera Shoot of Wedding
  • Professional Audio Recording
  • Reception Shoot and Slide Show
$675 - a savings of $125 Package #2
  • 4 Camera Shoot of Wedding
  • Professional Audio Recording
  • Reception Shoot and Slide Show
$800 - a savings of $150 Package #3
  • 5 Camera Shoot of Wedding
  • Professional Audio Recording
  • Reception Shoot and Slide Show
$925 - a savings of $175 Package #4
  • 6 Camera Shoot of Wedding
  • Professional Audio Recording
  • Reception Shoot and Slide Show
$1,050 - a savings of $175 Package #5
  • 6 Camera Shoot of Wedding
  • Professional Audio Recording
  • Surround Sound Mix
  • Reception Shoot and Slide Show
  • Jib Boom Tripod
  • Extra Cameraman
$1,350 - a savings of $200 Package #6
  • 7 Camera Shoot of Wedding
  • Professional Audio Recording
  • Surround Sound Mix
  • Reception Shoot and Slide Show
  • Jib Boom Tripod
  • Extra Cameraman
$1,520 - a savings of $225


Postal_Boy
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Sep 23, 2004, 12:59 PM

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Looks like they are all unmanned until you hit the 1000 range where it says you get an extra camera man. I guess for b-roll footage from all over it might work. Just stick cameras in every corner and switch back and forth in the editing.
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Mathew
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Sep 23, 2004, 1:09 PM

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So what, the guy probably only books a dozen weddings a year and is a hobbiest.

Sheesh, no wonder the pros have quit visiting this forum.

Why even bother posting this?


bmitchell
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Sep 23, 2004, 2:01 PM

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Re: [Mark Newman] Look at these prices!!! jeesh [In reply to] Can't Post
This guy will probably do a couple of gigs at those prices before he realizes he's being grossly underpaid. It takes me forever to edit a 3 cam shoot! I can't even fathom 7 cameras!

Regards


Edward
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Sep 23, 2004, 2:11 PM

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I find that 3 cameras are EASIER than 2 cameras. More options to switch to. I think seven would be overkill (I'm not even sure I'd want to go to FOUR).
Edward Troxel
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Todd L
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Sep 23, 2004, 2:16 PM

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So what, the guy probably only books a dozen weddings a year and is a hobbiest.

Sheesh, no wonder the pros have quit visiting this forum.

Why even bother posting this?
I think that if the "pros" have stopped visiting it is because of unnecessary comments like yours.

Maybe you don’t find anything useful in this post, so just move on, there are lots more. I don’t understand why so many here are so quick to take the low road and make a hateful comment. There have been many times that I don’t find anything particularly useful in a post, but I don’t feel the need to belittle the poster.

I think that Mark was just expressing some frustration over a condition that we all have experienced. That is an amateur who is charging far too little and making just a little bit harder to convince some brides that there really is a difference between the $500 guy and the $2000 one....or at least there should be.


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bmitchell
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Sep 23, 2004, 2:28 PM

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I think that if the "pros" have stopped visiting it is because of unnecessary comments like yours.
Right on.


Mathew
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Sep 23, 2004, 2:35 PM

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Re: [Todd L] Look at these prices!!! jeesh [In reply to] Can't Post
No.

It's because we've heard it a million times over. I sometimes wonder if some of its even true.

The guy is offering a jib arm and seven cameras for under 1K. Gimme a break. Anyone who has been in this business long enough knows that that is complete BS. I guess if you hired a film class to shoot your wedding I could see it.

It's just when I see a post like this I have to think there is a lack of commen sense. But maybe that's just me.


Robert
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Sep 23, 2004, 2:54 PM

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Re: [Mathew] Look at these prices!!! jeesh [In reply to] Can't Post
So, which are YOU Mathew? A Pro or an Hobbyist?
I'd sure hate to have the screen door hit you on the way out.

More often than not your posts are negative and derogatory, bordering on the level of a recently banned poster who shall remain unmentioned.

Oh, well. There's room for all types. Posters who offer things that are silly....to overasked questions... to the downright rude.


Mathew
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Sep 23, 2004, 3:20 PM

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Maybe we need to start a new forum for whinning and group therapy sessions.

Posts like the above remind me of that scene in The Godfather when Marlon Brando slaps whatshisname and tells him "To shut up and act like a man!"

I'm projecting sure. But if we as a whole just spent 20% less time complaining about pricing and not getting any respect and more focus on our business we would be much better off. I'm guilty as charged at this.

Rude or not, it's the truth.

Unlike Brian Peterson I'm not full of crap.


(This post was edited by Mathew on Sep 23, 2004, 3:24 PM)


Todd L
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Sep 23, 2004, 3:54 PM

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Matthew, I don’t mean to pick on you, but I must say again, Just move on. I doubt that Mark has gone to the trouble of posting a fairly long post just to amuse himself. I would venture to guess that he copied and pasted the text right off of this person’s website. At any rate the fact that you have heard it a “million times over” must mean that some here find it of some importance.

I don’t have a problem with the fist line of your response to Mark, but after that it gets a bit rude. We can all disagree and that’s OK, but in my opinion we need to police ourselves to keep it pleasant, even when we do disagree.

Comments like your have a detrimental effect on message boards. They relegate 90% of the people to being lurkers for fear of being made to feel stupid, 7% to being useful posters and 3% to being bullies or troublemakers. I don’t really know your history very well, but I hope you fall into the 7% and not the 3%.

Now I am going to take my own advice and just move on.


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Mark Newman
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Sep 23, 2004, 4:20 PM

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Sorry Mathew.... [In reply to] Can't Post
...I guess I forgot to read the rules that described what a "professional" post is supposed to consist of.
I really didnt think posting a comment on what someone (how little) they charged while using 7 cams.
or editing between 7 cams and what nightmare that would be.
Or that they are using a jiB and How annoying that would be.
Or even how this may affect all us Video people in general.

Im sorry if my post offended you and I'll be waiting for a post from you on what type of post are appropriate.

Thanks

Mark


ADP Wavefront
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Sep 23, 2004, 5:31 PM

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Re: [Edward] Look at these prices!!! jeesh [In reply to] Can't Post
4 is the max for me.

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GmElliott
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Sep 23, 2004, 5:41 PM

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I don't think these prices are BS. We've never seen one of his completed works- maybe he goes about it the "volume" instead of "quality" route and does 100+ weddings a year....spending 10 or less hours on each.




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Paul Holt
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Sep 23, 2004, 5:52 PM

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Having a bad day are we Mathew?.....absolutely nothing wrong with the orginal post....BTW what makes you think the pros have stopped visiting the forum?


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(This post was edited by Paul Holt on Sep 23, 2004, 5:53 PM)


Meghan M
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Sep 23, 2004, 6:02 PM

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Re: [Mathew] Look at these prices!!! jeesh [In reply to] Can't Post
So I guess anyone who is reading this is not a pro?
And, if they aren't...who cares. I have read great advice from "pros" and "hobbiest" alike.

Why can't we all just get along????
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raider
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Sep 23, 2004, 9:22 PM

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if I were the videographer you were jeeshing - I'd be pretty upset. What makes you think that same videographer doesn't log on to this board every day? My opinion - a bit rude. Interesting observation but.....
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charlieluken
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Sep 23, 2004, 11:55 PM

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People who choose to do that much work for so little money are either completely crazy or do it as a hobby and don't care about the costs. All those cameras must be a pain in the neck to not only control, but to lock down so nobody walks off with them all. Sounds like maybe they're just little spy cameras placed around the church, rather than quality video cameras. Doesn't make sense to me. Can't be a good thing for brides in your area to come across this guy's services at these ridiculous prices and then check out the other videographers who are charging what's more in line with reality. The brides who are on a strict budget would no doubt gravitate towards this guy. People like this make it tougher on the rest of us who are trying to make a living at wedding video production.


bmitchell
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Sep 23, 2004, 11:56 PM

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if I were the videographer you were jeeshing - I'd be pretty upset. What makes you think that same videographer doesn't log on to this board every day? My opinion - a bit rude. Interesting observation but.....
If he's been coming to VU for any length of time, he would already know that he's charging rock bottom. Just in case he does log on to this board every day, my message to him (or her) would be:

"Dude, IMHO you're underpricing yourself! Seven cameras and surround sound? Unless your in Calcuta, you're worth a lot more. That being said, if you have figured out a way to make a living at those prices, more power to you! Regards"

Regards

(This post was edited by Bill Mitchell on Sep 23, 2004, 11:59 PM)


videobear
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Sep 24, 2004, 6:23 AM

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The folks who've noted that Mr. Seven Cams probably uses small cameras planted all around the church are, I'll bet, right on the money. If I were doing something like this, I would also do it live switched. I'd build me two trunks, one to hold all the cameras, and one to hold the switcher and a bank of LCD monitors. I'd wire up the church a couple hours prior to the event, and I'd sit at the switcher and work that T-bar like a video game console. At the end, I'd have a ceremony all edited and ready to go.

Next, I'd take one camera to the reception, and shoot it with doing as much of the editing "in camera" as possible in mind. That is, I'd pick my shots, and not take any extraneous footage. The reception would be almost ready to go as soon as I finished shooting.

Back at the studio, I'd use a linear editing system and a character generator. I'd use the CG to make a couple of simple titles, then lay down the finished ceremony, then the reception tape, then a credit roll. Four hours and done.

Aside from the equipment costs, it's possible to make money like this...maybe not enough for a full time living, but a nice supplemental income. The only problem is that the finished product will have pretty low production values.




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Doug Graham
Panda Productions


Jeff N
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Sep 24, 2004, 6:24 AM

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It sound absolutely rediculous to me. You use 7 cameras for security not weddings.
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ADP Wavefront
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Sep 24, 2004, 9:23 AM

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How can anyone knock this guy down without seeing a sample of his work ? Preemptive in my opinion.

V.U. California Crew, L.A. Chapter


ADP Wavefront
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Sep 24, 2004, 9:26 AM

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Re: [Glen Elliott] Look at these prices!!! jeesh [In reply to] Can't Post
Exactly. And theres nothing wrong with "volume" work either. I much rather make $100k a year and spend 10 hrs on an edit than what I m currently doing. I m like you Glen in that I spend too many hrs on a single edit. Speed editing is high on my priority list otherwise I m gonna get burn out.

V.U. California Crew, L.A. Chapter


ADP Wavefront
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Sep 24, 2004, 9:28 AM

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"People like this make it tougher on the rest of us who are trying to make a living at wedding video production."

Its called competition.

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Mathew
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Sep 24, 2004, 9:42 AM

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I used to edit in camera and finish the edit in 3 hours and we still charged 1K and this was for a single camera.

This guy's prices are rediculous. Unless he shoots at one church as some sort of package and has the place pre-wired permenantly I just don't see where he makes any money...at all. How does he operate a switcher and jib arm at the same time? These types are out of business by now. I mean why the heck is he discounting? Either that or his work flat out sucks.

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