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Is this Legit?

 



hoots
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Apr 6, 2006, 5:31 PM

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Check this out. Here's some copy from this noob's site. Any opinions?

http://silverkeysstudio.com/

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... DV is a 10+ year-old compression standard that produces blurred, blotchy artifacts; dull, desaturated color; and poor picture detail. As an artist, DV quality is completely unacceptable, and I believe any artist who demonstrates pride in her work will say the same....

...Because I film entirely in high-definition, you will not pay $2000 more for something I consider absolutely essential. Videographers who charge an "upgrade fee" for HD are forcing you to subsidize their equipment upgrades...

... I don't think it's fair to charge you so we will stay an extra hour, or to say "sorry, no cake cutting footage." We stay until your coverage is complete. Your memories are more important to me than an extra hour or two on my feet. ..

... Simply stated, DV compression is a miserable, smudgy, decade-old standard fit for little more than web output—and certainly not for DVD. Sure, technically DV and DVD have the same resolution (again, usually 480x640), but their compression algorithms aren't even in the same class.

...DV is an old standard, written before cameras were powerful enough to handle decent compression. Let me backtrack for a second. All digital video recorded is compressed. That includes DV, HD (in various forms), whatever. So don't get confused by the term "uncompressed" because unless the footage was recorded on film stock, it just doesn't exist. The real noticeable difference between DV and HD, in fact, is the compression. DV uses "DV" compression, while HD uses "MPEG" compression. ...

...Due to its age and the hardware limitations of the time, DV compression is very sloppy. The video produced is characterized by blurred picture, duller colors, and overall loss of picture detail, particularly noticeable in the human face. This is a problem with the DV standard, so this is true whether you use an Elura pocket camera or an XL2. A better DV camera has better optics and sensors, so you will get a better picture from it—but the problems of the DV compression standard cannot be avoided by spending more on your camera.

... We will not insult you by offering a "basic menu" with generic stock images and machine-generated 10-minute chapters markers. You want a custom menu...

...We use gorgeous DVD clear cases, not those ugly standard black cases....

...This studio creates art; it is not a duplication factory, so it is not in our core values to profit off of your extra wedding DVD copies...

...Flashy factory effects—overuse of slow-motion and black & white, cheezy transition effects—are cheap and easy to do, but they are not cinematic. Movie editing is transparent, with the occasional creative flourish...

... I believe that an artist should always maintain the highest quality standards, and to post a blurry, heavily compressed sample online would not show pride in my work. It is unfortunate that many videographers do not understand the technical (and artistic) importance of proper web compression...


RT Steele
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Apr 6, 2006, 5:42 PM

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Well, he's puffing out his chest a bit but what part of the hype don't you feel is legit? (It's a commercial).

- RT


jpivideo
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Apr 6, 2006, 5:45 PM

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Blah Blah Blah

A true artist, a word they love to toss around a lot, doesn't need to constantly put down their competition. The work should speak for itself.

What do you mean is this legit? Looks like a real company. Do you mean all the stuff they are saying about DV compression? Many videographers create beautiful work using DV, and that's all a bride cares about, that the work is beautiful.


(This post was edited by jpivideo on Apr 6, 2006, 5:49 PM)


hoots
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Apr 6, 2006, 6:00 PM

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"Well, he's puffing out his chest a bit but what part of the hype don't you feel is legit? (It's a commercial). "

- RT

I didn't mean "legit", like "illegal" or anything, but the claims he's making are too much. Not agreed upon by experts like Adam Wilt, or by great video pro's here on VU making the best wedding videos in DV. It's subjective. And uncool and heavy to talk about other videographers that way, like most of us are hacks.


AndrewMSV
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Apr 6, 2006, 6:45 PM

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Is this guy in your area?
If not, don't sweat it.

If so, don't sweat it. (maybe call him up and chat. He might be in need of some good advice from you!)

Cheers!


Andrew
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vasbyt
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Apr 6, 2006, 8:26 PM

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When I tried to play the first clip i got an intrusion warning from Norton. The intruder is described as WWW.silverkeystudio.com, risk level HIGH, etc.

Whatever that means. I don't have internet on my editing computer.

Mervin






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glimmer
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Apr 6, 2006, 8:33 PM

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What I find so amazing is that so many videographers dwell on the technology used to create the video instead of proving to the potential client why he/she/they are best suited for the job in terms of themselves, their work ethic, and so forth.

With this guy in question, while the information might be true, if I was a client looking at this information, instead of what really matters, I'd move on. I think it's too much jargon that is not important in the scheme of what really matters. For comparison, I met a couple the other day...the first question the bride asked was, "what cameras do you use"...my response was..."why is that important and what does it matter?" I totally put her on the spot but then educated her on what is important to look for and what is not. I got a contract from her this afternoon.

What this guy fails to mention is just because he films in HD...woohoo, so do I, you still can't deliver it on a DVD. My opinion....egh.


MSDowney
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Apr 6, 2006, 9:03 PM

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It is a shame, It is no big thing to sell the service that they offer but his copy is full of false information. WHen sombody tries to seel thier services by putting down what others are doing and doing it with false information that is just not right.


Mike
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ssvp
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Apr 7, 2006, 2:55 AM

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How can I get a demo DVD?
I feel the DVDs don't belong to us, but to the brides and grooms. For this reason, we don't make demo DVDs. A couple's privacy is very important to us. I know I would feel uncomfortable if someone were sending out DVD copies of my wedding to strangers. When your DVD is complete, I will not send it out to people either.

Many brides & grooms have found our samples section very helpful. A variety of wedding styles and movie segments are represented there.


Hrm.. Ok.. So how is broadcasting the wedding samples to the entire world better than sending a DVD to someone? They don't make DEMO DVD's but yet host clips? I personally like his Creative Commons license agreement, now I wonder since using commercial music negates that whole thing? Of course, I am only assuming commercial since the sample clips have it..

:)


Edit 1 Media
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Apr 7, 2006, 7:19 AM

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Hoots...welcome to VU!

All I can say is that this person definitely has a need to talk up HD because his shooting and editing leave much to be desired....

:)


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Joel
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Apr 7, 2006, 9:01 AM

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Hi hoots


In Reply To
Check this out. Here's some copy from this noob's site. Any opinions?


He's pulling out the technology card. In my opinion an extremely small percentage of brides will read that. They'll go right to the samples. Who is reading it? Us. There is a lot of truth in what he is saying, but he's being 'in-your-face' about it.
Joel


"Think of this business as a room with a huge table and a bunch of chairs around the table. There is a big pie on the table. Your mission is to take your place at the table, pick up your fork, and eat your pie. Do not look to the left and do not look to the right. Just eat your pie. There is plenty of pie for everyone."


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krskrewz
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Apr 7, 2006, 11:48 AM

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His website looks pretty good I think. But yea, clients will jump right to the samples and/or packages pages. All the hype and 'selling' of hd over dv will probably be looked over and actually understood by a small small percentage of the brides. The demos (which i currently can't view from where I am) and the webpage presentation look pretty good though.


bmitchell
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Apr 8, 2006, 1:19 AM

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Probably has all the pro tools and little or no experience. When you're new to the business, and happen to have enough money to buy the latest and greatest equipment, that's what you brag about.

The scare-tactic-trash-the-competition form of advertising is also quite primative, but if your work can't speak for itself yet, that's what you use. He thinks he's impressing brides, but it just comes across as negative technical mumbo jumbo.

"Art" isn't about tools. A "true artist" can create a masterpiece by finger painting with feces. By the way, I use only white DVD cases which are known to be vastly more artistic than clear or black.Cool
Bill

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MC Hammer
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Apr 8, 2006, 1:44 AM

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MC Hammer says.. it's too legit to quit!


Stop! Hammer time!


AndrewMSV
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Apr 8, 2006, 4:45 AM

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All that work to register a new name and enter profile info just for one punchline! props to you, Hammer!
Too legit!

Cheers!


Andrew
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Ok2bclever
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Apr 8, 2006, 7:09 AM

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Filmography?!? Crazy

Hey, I'm booking them as they will do all this superior stuff for a mere $1900 and will work worldwide.

Whoops, already married.

Never mind.

Actually, fear selling is considered a legit tactic, just not one I think is very cool.


Tim

(This post was edited by Ok2bclever on Apr 8, 2006, 7:10 AM)