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Sony Vegas Pro 9 users
I am busy editing a wedding video in Sony Vegas 9. I want to create two parts to this project. I want the ceremony on one disk and the reception on another disk. Its a catholic wedding and I am affraid its going to come to close to 2 hours cutoff. Can you create two parts in the same project or do you have to start a new project from scratch . If you have to start a new project, how do you transfer all the project media to the new project without going to the import media option.
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I'd probably just open a new project,
alt-tab to go to the current project, and press the D key to toggle over to the "selection edit" tool...the pointy one,
use it to highlight all of the clips you want to transfer to the new project,
press CTRL-X to cut and copy to the clipboad,
alt-tab to the new, blank project,
press CTRL-V to paste the clips from the clipboard onto the new timeline.

At least that's how I do all of my weddings. I create a Vegas project for the ceremony, another for the reception, another for the highlights, etc.

I capture all of the footage in the ceremony project, then cut/paste the reception video/audio clips over to the reception project.

But since I generally am able to fit everything onto one DVD, I render each individual project to an AVI file, then drop all of those AVI's onto a new project, re-add the chapter markers, and render that whole project ot MPG for the DVD.

Good luck with it!




Morningwood Film Production Academy



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Thanks for the info, I will give it a try

Steve
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I tried it and it works great.... yeah... thanks, you saved me lots of frustration. What is "Chapter markers" and how do you use them. I have heard people talk about them.
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I tried it and it works great.... yeah... thanks, you saved me lots of frustration. What is "Chapter markers" and how do you use them. I have heard people talk about them.



Chapter markers are the same chapter markers you use when watching a DVD...the ones you skip back and forth to using the "next" and "back" buttons on your remote control.

To add one to your vegas project, just press M. You can even give each chapter a name if you want, and DVDA should pick it up. (I usually leave them blank...I don't like complicated menues on my DVD.)

I have to re-add them to the final Vegas project, since the initial render to AVI deletes the chapter markers, but at least it leaves a little orange line where the original ones were...so it only takes a minute to put the new ones down on the full length project. But you shouldn't have to do that step...since you're putting the wedding and reception on two different discs anyways.




Morningwood Film Production Academy



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Sounds like you're authoring in DVD Architect.
I've always been using Vegas but use a different
software [Ulead] for authoring.



Yep! I author in DVDA, and burn my SD DVD's using Nero.

Nero 10 was released today, and I'm real tempted to upgrade to it. And just for grins, I might try using the bundled Nero editing software to edit my next wedding. Being a popular consumer-oriented piece of software, they have to make it idiot-proof, and all the Nero applications have always worked very well for me. It would be really cool if all of the new Nero 10 apps work "good enough"...it sure would clean up my desktop, be more efficient, and save a lot of money. Tongue Video editing, authoring DVD and BD, burning, photo editing, and tons of other audio/video applications.

http://www.nero.com/...ations-included.html







Morningwood Film Production Academy



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That's pretty cheap for all what you get with that Nero bundle.
Like $79??? And it does BluRay for that price??
I heard people are getting $500 to $700 extra for a
BluRay disc. Wink Laugh Laugh

I started with Vegas back when you could get it separate from
Architect. And I never bothered to get Architect. I believe
now you can't get Vegas without Architect. I think. Smile

I was looking into the cost of upgrading to a current Vegas Pro
and it's like $700! I should maybe see if it's available for less
without Architect, if that is possible to buy separately. I'd
just stick with my current Vegas version but I recently tried out
a DSLR for shooting video and my current Vegas won't import
the DSLR video file, which is Motion JPEG. So I have to pay
7 hundred bucks just to import the file and I don't even need
Architect!!! Not too happy about that one. There was some
mention in the literature about using a 3rd party software to
first convert the Motion JPEG - is that called "transcoding"? - so
that it would work with an older Vegas.




I'm shooting with AVC (haven't tried the Motion JPEG setting yet), and it became pretty clear...pretty quick...that you don't want to be editing highly compressed video like that. So I use Neoscene to transcode it to Cineform AVI...which Vegas edits as easy as DV. But, it's ANOTHER piece of software to buy...and another step in the workflow...and something else that has to be done before going to bed on Saturday nights. It's pretty quick to transcode, however. http://www.cineform.com/neoscene/


You know, if I were new to this business, and was only going to be doing weddings, I probably wouldn't bother spending all the money on a pro NLE. I downloaded the consumer version of Vegas to my laptop, and it's just like the pro version...and I think it will burn a Blu-Ray straight from the timeline...and I think the consumer versions of Vegas start at only $40.




Morningwood Film Production Academy



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if I were new to this business, and was only going to be doing weddings, I probably wouldn't bother spending all the money on a pro NLE. I downloaded the consumer version of Vegas to my laptop, and it's just like the pro version.


It's kind of hard to understand why the consumer versions are
like $40 to $70 and the Pro version is like $600. I took a
quick look at a comparison chart and the main thing that I noticed
is that only the Pro version has videoscopes. Now, I've kind of
gotten use to using the vectorscope and histogram so I think I
would miss it to do without.

Maybe I need to check out this Neoscene and see if it will do what
I want and allow me to keep working with my current Vegas.
So how easy is it to use Neoscene? Steep learning curve?

And what is this "transcoding" that I keep hearing about? You're
basically just converting media from a format that bogs down
your computer to one that doesn't? Is there any loss in quality
if you don't edit working with the native files?



Yeah, these big companies aren't stupid when it comes to a bit of software code that means the difference in whether it's "pro" or "consumer". The GH1 is also a good example...it's a consumer camera so they put a weak codec in it and sell it for $1200...and now they're releasing the AF100...which is probably essentially the same thing with a professional codec...and charge an additional $5000.Sly

Transcoding AVC to Cineform AVI with Neoscene is super simple...just tell it which files to convert, where to put them, and it renders them all pretty quickly. And it also gives you the option to remove pulldown (required for the GH1, for example) to convert 60i back into 24p.

As for quality loss, I'd guess working with Cineform AVI really helps to maintain quality while editing/rendering. Actually, I think the footage looks BETTER after Neoscene, even when it doesn't require a pulldown. (GH1 1080 looks bad if you don't remove the pulldown.)




Morningwood Film Production Academy



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Brackish: Apr 14, 2010, 11:22 AM
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The GH1 is also a good example...it's a consumer camera so they put a weak codec in it

I saw somewhere that a GH1 user said the Motion JPEG codec holds up better than the AVC with panning and tilting movements of the cam. I believe he said that more detail is retained.



I haven't tried shooting a wedding with Motion JPG. It will only do 720/30p in that mode, and has a 2gb recording limit. Probably a good setting if you were shooting video for a quick YouTube broadcast or something, and were going for faster/simpler post-production over a more cinematic look.




Morningwood Film Production Academy



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An upgrade from a previous version of Vegas is $235 direct from Sony.
Buying the full version with DVDA from videoguys is about $600.

The biggest advantages of Pro over the consumer version are:

unlimited A/V tracks
more fx
videoscopes
protype titler
xdcam support
gigapixel image support
4K project support (RED)
broadcast wave support
(other TV / broadcast stuff in 9d)
tons more pro audio recording stuff
envelopes
project nesting
SCRIPTING



Only you can determine which one is right for you. Do you need most of that stuff for "wedding video"? Maybe not.
I'd be lost w/o scripting, scopes, & not having more than 4 tracks.
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....Only you can determine which one is right for you. Do you need most of that stuff for "wedding video"? Maybe not.
I'd be lost w/o scripting, scopes, & not having more than 4 tracks.




I use Muvee to edit my wedding videos. That's why I make the big cash. http://www.muvee.com/en/




Oh, BTW, don't buy Nero 10...it sucks nardz. Unsure




Morningwood Film Production Academy



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both UltimateS and Excalibur make use of scripting & extensions which are part of Vegas Pro and not Vegas Movie Studio. There is some overlap between UltimateS and Excalibur in that they both do some of the same things. I've been using US for years.
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I usually edit the whole wedding as one project file and then render the first hour (pre-ceremony/ceremony) and the second hour (reception) separately by using the select tool. In the render options, I save type as MAIN CONCEPT MPEG-2 and the template DVD ARCHITECT 24p WIDESCREEN. After this is all complete I simply import into DVD ARCHITECT.

Michael
Robert
Wedding Videographer in Los Angeles and Orange County
California Videographer