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X-Coleman
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Jan 15, 2004, 10:20 AM

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Anyone use Video Toaster by NewTek?
Coleman


X-chopsueychrisaolcom
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Jan 15, 2004, 10:48 AM

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Not the VT3x that is out now..but it is supposed to be on par with apps like DPS vel.8q...
Quite pricey and all but supposed to still be a great nle.
-chris


X-Lance_Gray
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Jan 15, 2004, 12:11 PM

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I've been using it since the beta days. Very nice workstation with lots of capabilities -- ours is powered in a Dual Xeon configuration.
VT3 is miles ahead of its predecessors VT1, VT2, and naturally the original Amiga version.
Lance Gray
PixelPops Design


X-mike_harvey
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Jan 15, 2004, 1:16 PM

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We had one in high school. Gotta love those old falling sheep transitions. Does VT still have all those cool but cheesy transitions?


X-chopsueychrisaolcom
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Jan 15, 2004, 1:47 PM

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I know two people who use the Amiga VT!!!!
How crazy is that?!?
Hard to find a repair shop though..heard there is a good repair guy in PA (im in NY)
-chris


X-Billy
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Jan 15, 2004, 4:04 PM

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: I know two people who use the Amiga VT!!!!
: How crazy is that?!?
Not crazy at all. No rendering, real-time effects, very good CG, cool chroma effects. Hey, it started the Desktop Video Revolution and as long as it churns out good-looking, easy to produce videos, why chunk 'em?
I've got one of each - the PC VT3 and the Amiga Toaster/Flyer. Each has their strong points and are suited for certain things. We use both of 'em every day, and the quality of the Amiga T/F is right on par with anything else out there.
: Hard to find a repair shop though..heard there is a good repair guy in PA (im in NY)
Repairs?! We don't need no steenkin repairs! I fix 'em myself.


X-Billy
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Jan 15, 2004, 4:06 PM

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: Anyone use Video Toaster by NewTek?
Yep. Got a question?
Billy


X-Lance_Gray
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Jan 15, 2004, 4:14 PM

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Yep, we still have our 1994 Video Toaster Flyer still cranking out projects in the studio as well (few people probably still actually use the same computer built that long ago, but the Flyer is VERY viable). One of editors uses it a lot and I made a living for many years on the Flyer. It was WAY ahead of its time...real-time was practically unheard of in 1995...most people didn't go "realtime" until almost 1998/99, but yep the Amiga was doing it in 1995. Great product...VT3 is that plus more with a dual timeline/storyboard. There's not much we can't do with it.


X-Brian_M
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Jan 15, 2004, 4:36 PM

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I nearly bought one of these in 1994 or 1995 but B&H cancelled the order because of the bankruptsy filed by Amiga/Commodore which froze all shipments. I ended up going with Apple instead in 2000 but still regret not getting a Toaster. There's a guy in this area who still uses it.
A tech that I worked with told me how the owner of Commodore wanted control over NewTek and bought the bank where NewTek was financing from and shut them down. He only hurt himself because the Toaster was the reason Amigas were still selling. He ended up going to jail for illegal business practices and Amiga/Commodore went away until some German company took them over...which they later sold to an American company out of Pennsylvania. Interesting story...not sure how much of it is true.

: Yep, we still have our 1994 Video Toaster Flyer still cranking out projects in the studio as well (few people probably still actually use the same computer built that long ago, but the Flyer is VERY viable). One of editors uses it a lot and I made a living for many years on the Flyer. It was WAY ahead of its time...real-time was practically unheard of in 1995...most people didn't go "realtime" until almost 1998/99, but yep the Amiga was doing it in 1995. Great product...VT3 is that plus more with a dual timeline/storyboard. There's not much we can't do with it.


X-BJP
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Jan 15, 2004, 7:54 PM

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: A tech that I worked with told me how the owner of Commodore wanted control over NewTek and bought the bank where NewTek was financing from and shut them down.
Newtek shut down?! I certainly don't think so. There have been rumors for years that Commodore tried to buy Newtek but nothing ever happen. If it wasn't for the Toaster and then the Flyer the Amiga at least in the states would be a dino long foselized but since Newtek kept developing the T/F for years after Amiga went belly up and still today service the thing the Amiga has had a long life on lifesupport.
Newtek after the bankruptcy though turned their attentions to developing the VT series which went thru many variations before hitting the market and also continued the push on Lightwave development which kept them alive.
They are a strong little company. I remember when I first entered the production market, Newtek had lost their original programers on the Toaster, many of which went off, formed Play and created the boat anchor known as the Trinity and they then did go backrupt.
The VT3 in my opinion is the platform to beat. I was on the phone this morning with a friend who owns 2 Matrox RTXs discussing how I had created my latest demo which includes at one point 7 layers of video and graphics. For me everything was real time including changing graphics on the fly. He said it would have taken half of the day on his Matrox baord...
VT3 does have some faults, but I've used T/F, Premier, Vegas and 2 incarnations of FCP and I have always gone back to VT2 and now 3.
Brian


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Jan 16, 2004, 3:36 AM

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Yes, I'm aware that NewTek survived but they had no machines to put their Flyer and Toaster in for about a year during the court hearings. The owner of Commodore ended up in prison. He couldn't buy them and decided to spite them. He went crazy and used 'mob-like' tactics to shut them down because he couldn't have it. He ended up bankrupting Commodore in the process...leaving NewTek without an operating system. They re-configured the toaster to work with Mac but it wasn't the same so they waited until Amiga computers resurfaced via another company. Obviously NewTek didn't go away since they're still making products.
: : A tech that I worked with told me how the owner of Commodore wanted control over NewTek and bought the bank where NewTek was financing from and shut them down.
: Newtek shut down?! I certainly don't think so. There have been rumors for years that Commodore tried to buy Newtek but nothing ever happen. If it wasn't for the Toaster and then the Flyer the Amiga at least in the states would be a dino long foselized but since Newtek kept developing the T/F for years after Amiga went belly up and still today service the thing the Amiga has had a long life on lifesupport.
: Newtek after the bankruptcy though turned their attentions to developing the VT series which went thru many variations before hitting the market and also continued the push on Lightwave development which kept them alive.
: They are a strong little company. I remember when I first entered the production market, Newtek had lost their original programers on the Toaster, many of which went off, formed Play and created the boat anchor known as the Trinity and they then did go backrupt.
: The VT3 in my opinion is the platform to beat. I was on the phone this morning with a friend who owns 2 Matrox RTXs discussing how I had created my latest demo which includes at one point 7 layers of video and graphics. For me everything was real time including changing graphics on the fly. He said it would have taken half of the day on his Matrox baord...
: VT3 does have some faults, but I've used T/F, Premier, Vegas and 2 incarnations of FCP and I have always gone back to VT2 and now 3.
: Brian


X-Billy
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Jan 16, 2004, 11:16 PM

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: Yes, I'm aware that NewTek survived but they had no machines to put their Flyer and Toaster in for about a year during the court hearings.
Not exactly. After C='s demise, NewTek started buying used Amigas to put Toasters into. Dealers got into the act and started finding used computers and building systems themselves. They even started converting Amiga 1200s so that they would work.
Finally Quickpak, an American company, got the rights to build new machines and built several thousand Amiga 4000 Towers, the best Amiga built (I have 2 of them). These were big hits in the US but hardly none made it overseas, mainly because Toaster users were gobbling them up.
:The owner of Commodore ended up in prison. He couldn't buy them and decided to spite them. He went crazy and used 'mob-like' tactics to shut them down because he couldn't have it.
I don't know if I've ever heard that story. From what I recall reading, Ali and Gould, the 2 guys who were mostly in charge of C=, pretty much pulled an Enron on Commodore and took a lot of money out of the company before causing the bankruptcy. C= was a Bahamas-registerd corp so there wasn't a lot anyone could do to the perps.
:They re-configured the toaster to work with Mac but it wasn't the same so they waited until Amiga computers resurfaced via another company.
The Mac interface happened before the bankruptcy, back when Amiga 2000s were housing the cards. I think this was done more as a "perception" thing than anything else, as a lot of people just didn't see Amigas as a "real" computer. The Mac didn't really do much - it was only a controller for the Amiga computer which actually housed the Toaster card and did all the work. The two computers were linked together via serial cable, I believe. I only saw one of these in action but didn't really pay much attention to it. This setup basically gave Mac heads the idea that the Mac was working the magic, when in all actuality it was the Amiga hiding under the desk doing the work.
Regards,
Billy